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Originally posted by skl1:
Karl,

You're right on the high end US buyer's penchant for thinking anything foreign, especially European, must be inherently superior.

You mention the Corvette. Our automotive press routinely beats on the Corvette as a sub-world-class sportscar. Since it beats the competition in every measureable way, they beat up on the quality of plastic in the dashboard, etc.

I liked Weatherby's. My dad always wanted one. But they had a period where their customer service was really bad, and it kind of turned me off. Now they don't make LH guns. My South African PH's really like them for the action strength and long-range, heavy-hitting cartridges, though, and find them worth the money.

The other "American" thing going on with Weatherby, though, is the American markets tendency to be distinctly either highbrow or lowbrow. The high-end guys are chasing BMW, Lexus, Sako, and brit guns, but the buy-American guys buy Chevrolets, Fords, Winchesters, Rugers, and Remingtons, not Cadillac's, Lincolns, and Weatherbys.

Steve

Sk1, Good post.That was Mike on the chevs though you will find I am the same about them.
Mitch Carter a good friend of mine if he will allow me, owns a 1998 chev corvette I love the look of.
He also contributed to the load data in the reloading section as he owns the big weatherbies.
As you can guess I consider him a fine american.

Back on topic/calibres/combos if a lot of people have bought something and most weren't killed by it, I find hatred to be a little too strong an emotion over the whole issue.

In line with what you said about US buyers and theur quirks(and us other westerners) I think we have so much at our fingertips these days, we need a lot more in the 'mystery and history 'department for kicks.

Which is why some people as you've noticed get a little excitable on this issue.

Karl.

Karl,

That is why my new car is the new Monaro in that turquoise blue colour.

Have you ever seen the Weatherby guides from the 70s.

That was when you get the Crown Custom type guns in the birdseye maple type woods.

If it had not been for Weatherby it would be interesting see what the Big Bore forum would be like. The 500 A2 would be dead in the water and that probably led the push to bigger and bigger.

Mike

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Some of you boys are slinging a mightly wide paintbrush, about Remingtons.

Be carefull of the use of the word "ALL", there are CRF Remingtons.

Here's Mine


Hog Killer

Aw shucks, that is just a 1917 Enfield made by Remington under duress during WWI, or a Model 30, 'bout the same thing.

Even the 720's circa 1941 were a Remington aberration due to left over parts and machinery from WWI and I'm sure they grumbled the whole time they were getting rid of their war surplus inventory. FORCED TO SELL A QUALITY RIFLE! WHAT A SWITCH FOR REMINGTON!

BTW I recently bought one of those Remington Enfields rebarreled to .338 WinMag, with a custom walnut stock, and all the dog-ear removal smithing, cock on closing conversion to opening, etc., for $299.

RIP,

I grew up on M17s converted to 270, 308 Norma, 308 Norma necked to 25 and 270 and there is where I gained my distaste for the CRF action.

At the same time we had the 303, 303/370 and 303/25.

We use to neck size only and full length sizing when required in a vice die. The old M17s extractor would jump over the rims on tight cases. Probably related to the extractors being alterered so you could single load.

A lot of the trouble with CRFs was also caused by stuffed case rims by hammering cases into dies and with the rims a bit bent or burrs out on them the things would often jam.

CRF is like lots of over engineered German things, it is the best when everthing is right.

If I could have my "perfect" action it would be a properly made M70 Push Feed but big enough to take the large Weatherby case.

The second time I ran aground on CRF, which was my own fault, was with the switch barrel rifles and the actions set up so barrels could be swapped between actions, but of course I completely forgot about the extractor slot cut in back of the barrel.

But there is no doubt that a staggered feed CRF is the nicest to watch working in the comfort of the loung room. and an in line feed PF is the most unattractive to watch working.

It is often said that PF is for cheapeness but when one looks at the more common factory rifles, such as those found across this site it is the PFs that are the more the expensive rifles, Sako, Weatherby, Blaser and Sauer.

In reality the most CRF is the single line Wby type box. The round is really controlled as it moves from the magazine.

Mike

I might as well jump on the bandwagon. I extremely dislike and rifle with a caliber under .308. If you are going to make a hole, make it a hole to remember!!

Rip,

That Model 30S will feed the North Fork 450gr, FP solid, just as slick as you please. Would not trade it for any of the stuff that I saw at Dallas SC or Houston SC. They might have been "purtier" but not better. IMHO

Hog Killer

PS: Mike375, if reloading equipment in OZ has not improved any from your above post, maybe you need to go back to muzzle loaders, and do away with those pesky brass cases.

Hog Killer,

We have had some improvements

My first centrefire which my dad got for me when I was 15, 1963 and still at school, a 218 Imp Bee on the Martini. Not long after the gunsmith rechambered to 219 Zipper Improved. This gunsmith use to make a lot of them and the 219 Zippers would fireform OK but when the next batch of Winchester brass came into Australia it would split.

So we would make cases from 30/30s using vice dies and file trim them. That took real heart

Actually, I think the action with the best potential will be these push feeds that have part of the counterbore left open to become CRF. That allows you to run the cartridges through the magazine with out closing the bolt etc and I think it will be more reliable for feeding than conventional CRF.

Mike

Hog Killer,
Seriously, that is a fine Remington Model 30. I should have limited my joke to the Model 700 ilk.

Guys,

Life is awful short to get wrapped up in the things we hate!!!!!!!

My rain in this parade is:

Any long gun that says Smith and Wesson

Chrome: pistols, rifles, shotguns, even squirt guns all uses on any firearm make me want to up chuck. Weatherby's are close to as bad, without the chrome.

Edited:

I forgot to mention a firearm that briefly passed through my posesion, a Model 94 post 64 in 44 Mag, fully chromed. The famous disco assualt weapon of the 1980's

Mike375,

Glad to hear that the reloading gear in OZ is better now. I would like to get me a Martini or two, someday, 577-450 and 310 Cadet.

Rip/Ron,

I must admit, that I am really enjoying my 30S, as it is the newest addition to the toy box. It is also, my first real, heavy caliber rifle. Being a 458 Lott, I really get a kick out of it.

Hog Killer

anything 30-06

i personally dont shoot any center fire rifles under 416 right now but will go as low as 375 h&h

Ease up on the Remmys fellas. They have their place as platforms for tactical rifles. I've got 2 in that config. Other than that, If it aint a single shot, it needs to be a Mauser. Hell I've even got a mauser shotgun. Oh, and Weatherbys are ugly mkay? I guess they'd be alright if you re-stocked them with a non-pimpish stock.

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Originally posted by Paul H:

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Originally posted by Urodoji:

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Originally posted by Paul H:

The AR series rifles in anything over 30 cal.

Where's your sense of adventure?

I have a 458 Lott and a 500 Jeffrey. The big bore AR's are a joke in comparison. It's like putting a big block V-8 in a VW bug.

I have nothing against the AR platform, for the purpose they were intended. It's when you try to make them something they're not, and can't be, that I don't like it.

Wait til you see what MartytW and I have planned...

I think a lot of us like Mark V's and Weatherby cartridges, but are afraid to admit it here. That would be akin to saying that Michael Jackson is a nice girl or guy or whatever ...

Not me. I have two, a .300 and .340. Neither Mark V's, but customs with Lilja barrels, composite stocks etc. None of the dead animals I've shot seemed to mind either.

But since this is a hate thread - Italian copies of Colt SAA's.

My list of dis-liked guns:
Lever actions with scopes
Browning BLR {any}
Bolt action shotguns
Weatherby Mark V -just don' like the locking lugs.
This list is not all inclusive as more will come to mind.

I have had three guns I intensely disliked. Two were Weatherbys. One a LH 340 mag that went back and forth to WBY three times and never would shoot. The other a 30-378 wby with 1 land missing from the barrel 10 inches from the chamber but re appearing sorta 5 inches from the off center muzzel brake. They tried the Carosel job on me and I have disliked them intensely ever since.
Finally there is the abortion of all Time. The Mighty Heym .600NE. Never has a guns design for hard recoil been worse. It kicks the shit out of me with EXACTLY the same load as my .600OK which in comparison is a million times better designed gun. The Heym now sells for about $13,000 I hear and I keep it just to teach a lesson to some of the local braggards. Not one of them has EVER shot it twice. Hell I'm afraid of it!-Rob

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Lets see- The Weatherby Australian Classic- A 378 with that rich glossy finish ( viewable only where not covered by DUCT TAPE which holds the cracks and splinters together) sporting a enormous Varmint scope ( with reminants of Blood and eyebrow still attached) a muzzel brake manufactured by drilling a pipe and soldering it to the barrel ( crooked of course). This abomination is then used by the Aussies on driven Roos while driving( actually bouncing) recklessly across the posted countryside in a US reject pickup ( equipped with a supercharger), at night and in a totally drunken state! They either fall off ( due to the recoil, or are thrown off by their own Mates who then shoot them mistaking them for a BIG ROO! Of corse they used to do this with semi-autos till they let their government ban them. Did I get this Vision from Hell right?

That's just anothr reason why OZ is so damned much FUN!

Some real gun snobs around here...

Damn, digging up threads from FOUR years ago? Couldn't you start a thread of your own?

George

Sorry, was just searching like a good new member. Didn't notice the date.

I guess I'm in the minority, while I don't like their rifles, I think the original Weatherby magnums 257, 270, 300, aand 375 were and are very good cartridges. In particular I think the 375 Weatherby is a superior cartridge to the 375 Ruger everyone is swooning over. More power, and can shoot 375 H&H in a pinch.

I think I'm going to build a 270 Wby Magnum out of a Rem 700 one of these days ...

Regards,

Chuck

Winchester short magnums in any rifle ,Model 70 safeties tacked onto magnum mauser actions or anything else for that matter, any of the dumb new lever action calibres [pointless] Brno 602 or cz550 rebarreled to 378 or 460 weatherby, calibres with dumb names like Grendel etc

I'm not a huge fan of Weatherby rifles though I have owned a few over the years but I do like several of Roy's cartridges: 270, 340, 375 and 460 Wby Mags.

Landrum

I was in the local gun shop yesterday and spied a 95 Winchester (USRAC) with a bead blasted barrel. Upon further examination Ifound i t had been rebarreled to 280. WTF???? AND they wanted $1295.00 for it.

Mark

Most disliked has to be all CZ , Brno, Zastava, and Mossberg. As to calibers all the 17 stuff

Sounds like you had a bad experience with them, much like I had with my Ruger M77 a long time ago. I just figured I got a lemon with my M77 and didn't figure they were all like that.

Chuck

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Originally posted by Karl:
The most amusing combination is-

American gunowners with British calibres and tastes.

Nothing funnier than seeing Americans who hate weatherbies and talk about the jolly proper rifles to own old boy,
Karl.

I'm British, & would give most anything to legally own & use a Garand, WHAT WHAT!

Any rifle carried by a gun snob.

RIP,

I am glad that you clarified that SXS double comment.

I was getting ready to fly out to Kantacky and whup yur ass!

You and I have exactly the same dislikes in rifles. I have to add though a cool caliber with to slow a twist rate so that it won't shoot proper heavy bullets.

Most any 30-30. Quote from a Missouri deer-hunter-
"Hell, 30-30's the flattest shootin' rifle you can get in Missourah"

Bad as some of the above might be, I'll gladly take any of them in preference to a sharp stick!

I don't have access to the records, but I'd be curious as to how many deer and elk in the record books were taken with 30-30s. I never knew my 270 was too light for elk until I logged onto the Internet ...



Chuck

Ok, I'll throw in my 2 cents:

I dislike any and all rifles below 50 Caliber with a muzzle brake!

This thread is GAY!!

any caliber i dont own .. yet !!! LOL

A buddy once told me I had to have a 270Win because where we were going had "big-boddied" deer and my 22-250 just wouldn't do. I took my deer with a 60gr Nosler solid base at 263 yds, 1 shot dead in 10 yds. My friend fired 3 shots at a deer under 150yds. Afterwards I paid for a couple rounds at a local silhuette range. My buddy and his 270 couldn't knock down a turkey @ 200meters. I knocked them down all day. My friend was a piss poor shot.
I still hate the 270Win. Its parent 30-06 is better in all situations. My opinion.

I also hate the 7mmRem mag. "It shoots flat no drop out to over 400 yds" Heard that one too much too. 30-06 still better all situations than a 7mmRemmag. My opinions.

I hate 9mmLuger too. 45acp rules.

Andy B

I agree with you on the 9mm. If I just want to make something/somebody angry, I'll just insult them! 1911 45 ACP is the way to go.

I love my 270 though ...



Chuck

Chuck,

There is a 270 that I like. 270 WEA MAG!

Andy B

Yeah, I like the 270 Weatherby Mag too! My next rifle.




Chuck

Who cares, one man meat, anothers poison etc etc. Someone needs a new hobby.
Steve

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Originally posted by jstevens:
Mike 375

I think the Ruger 77 MkII in .338-06 however would be an instant hit in elk country, and I think they'd sell some in 9.3x62 as well. The Weatherby in a non-Weatherby caliber is just not right.

OHHH, A Ruger in 9.3x62mm, now that just might be a winner!!!