That's the spirit Karl, you are killing me!
Actually I am an equal opportunity gunnut and like to keep the Good the Bad and the Ugly all at play.
I am sure that I will have to have a Mark V DGR in .378 WBY with the drop box single stack, before I am done, but I am going to compromise and give it a 23" barrel. That should make it right.

Just two more and my battery is complete then, this final Mark V and a Dakota 76 in 9.5x69mm Tornado.

That last nomenclature for the .375 Lapua is just so Kurt doesn't think I am all bad.

Another useless item:

Wildcat that duplicate the performance of existing factory offerings.

Example: 8 mm/06 (ever hear of 8x57, 30-06, 8mm rem mag, 35 whelen, 9.3 x 62?)

Example: 423 Mishmash (ever hear of 404 Jeffery, 416 Remington, 416 Hoffman, 423 Express, 416 Rigby?)

Example: 375 RUM necked up to .416 (see list of cartridges above, plus 416 Wby)

Karl,

I have often wondered that about Americans and Weatherby.

In fact one of the reasons I sold the two goood 460s I had was because of Made in Japan. And back in the early 90s I looked seriously at the Crown Custom gun but the Made in Japan was stopping me because the stuff looks so American.

I have always thought of the Weatherby as the Chev Corvette of rifles.

But I think it varies with the forum. For example on Saaeds site the Rem 700 and calibres with cases for the bore size are frowned upon. But on the 24hourcampfire Rem 700s, big cases on small bores and Weatherbys get a different reception.

One of the reasons I like Wbys when you hit the high price area is that they are not copies of something else. The fact that so many people hate them is another plus they have.

One of the interesting things is if you show pictures of H&Hs and the like and the Crown Custom to non shooters the non shooter does leaps and bounds over the Crown Custom. I found the same when I had the alloy bench guns which were a skeleton except for the action area and painted the non shooters thought they looked unreal.

Mike

500 grains,

But the 375 RUM necked to 416 provides for easy conversion and offers case capacity between the 416 Rem/404 Jeffery and the 416 Rigby and 416 Wby.

It also offers the biggest case capacity that is readily adapted to Rem 700 and M70 rifles without fucking about with fireformed 404 Jeffery brass or 416 Dakota brass.

Mike

Mike,

Neither of things are NEEDED given the available factory offerings. Wildcatters can always conjure up some imaginary benefit, but the benefit is illusory.

500,

But the benefit is real to the person.

The Ackley Improveds are good examples. Some people just like the look of the case.

Why do some people fuck about with 404 Jeffery when they can just buy a Model 70 in 416 Remington.

Mike

Because they were really wanting a Remington DGR in 416 RUM...

RIP,
There are probably more like you just not made of the sterner stuff to admit it.


I think along with what Mike says its the fashion here, probably due to the prime bent african hunting and the international flavour of the prime movers and shakers makes a big difference.

Like on the charge thread I started, Saeed jumped in early with the 375 for elephant and we had one of those rare times with the 375 figuring strongly as a good charge stopper.

Obviously there is the original weatherby hatred from the early years too which is sort of like the Serb/Croat wars where no ones even remembers how it started- but by gum we will keep true to the cause, whatever the hell it was back then

Karl.

Blasers make me vomit as do marlin rimfire boltactions.

Any rifle with the name "Remington"stamped on it and or Rum, SAUM, WSM. WSSM and "improved" and rifles built by smiths I never heard of that have a dislike for Weatherby rifles. jorge

<<<<<<<<<<<One of the reasons I like Wbys when you hit the high price area is that they are not copies of something else. The fact that so many people hate them is another plus they have.>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mike375 great post..heh

jorge..Zim is starting to come very quick now!

After reading the anti Weatherby post I'm beginning to wonder if my 460's 500gr Barnes X triple shocks are going to bounce off the Buffs hide!

quote:

Originally posted by AKA:

After reading the anti Weatherby post I'm beginning to wonder if my 460's 500gr Barnes X triple shocks are going to bounce off the Buffs hide!

Does your rifle have a 1-16" twist? Those have proven to be poor penetrators in the past. If your rifle has a 1-12" twist, it should do well. But be sure to take a hammer along to pound the bolt open...

AKA: Sorry I missed the Convention, but my wife's leg surgery didn't go as well as we thought... Yep, I'm inside the 5 month window for Zimbawe. Just received my copy of Elgin Gates' "Trophy Hunting In Asia" to go along with "Trophy Hunting In Africa." I guess nobody told him that Weatherbys didn't cut it. jorge

Jorge,
Doesn't Chuck Yeager like the .300 Wby Mark V also? But what does he know!

Karl,
I think a lot of us like Mark V's and Weatherby cartridges, but are afraid to admit it here. That would be akin to saying that Michael Jackson is a nice girl or guy or whatever ...
Anyway, cut 500groans some slack, as a 600 NE Heym bolt action has had its way with him. I handled one of those off the rack of Great Northern Guns in Anchorage, Alaska one time ... I couldn't stop laughing until I got out of the store.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KurtC:

There is nothing worse than finding a mint condition Mannlicher-Schoenauer chambered in .270 Winchester.

KurtC,

When you find one of these, please let me know.

Steve

I like Weatherby Mark Vs, and since RIP brought up it up, I've decided to get honest and admit it! In fact, I recently put my money where my mouth is and bought a nice, 25 year old Mark V at a pawn shop.

Of the sometimes badmouthed -- but often misunderstood -- push-feed type actions, the Mark V and the post-64 Model 70 actions are my favorites by far. The Mark V is a really strong action, extremely well-made, and it has some great design features. It has a few I don't like as well, including the ball-bearing detent that holds the firing pin assembly in place, but in the main it's a great action, and it feeds very well.

You'll hear more than a few true stories about Mark Vs that have gone off when the safety was disengaged (read John Northcoat's "From Sailor to Professional Hunter"), but as near as I can determine, most of these accidents occured with the older, German-built rifles with the original Mark V trigger system, or with rifles that had improperly adjusted triggers. The Japanese triggers and current American triggers (same design as Japanese) are much, much better. If I had a German Weatherby, I'd replace the trigger with a Canjar, etc.........

AD

anything other than .300 weatherby--.340 weatherby--.378 weatherby and .338/378 kt

Karl- You been to Sydney lately? Your women need help! Not the greatest lookers in the world in general! No wonder you guys like Pimp Guns! You need at least six to have one good one. At least the right parts stay clean!
What's an Aussie sports car? A toyota pickup ( 1984 vintage) with a supercharger, Roo Bars, dents, rattle can spray paint and oh yes a 327 that you claim to be a 350( ex speedway car- translation -it still runs sorta)? Complete with a Tach that you guys can't figure out how to wire up! Remember Negative on the battery connects to the GROUND! SPARKY!
I love you guys! Going to OZ is like being a bit player in a Mad Max movie remake. No wonder your government doesn't trust you with guns-Rob

Allen,

The nastiest little feature of that ball is if one is not careful taking out the firing pin it falls out and the person does not notice. I prefer to screw the bolt off the pin.

Mike

Karl,

You're right on the high end US buyer's penchant for thinking anything foreign, especially European, must be inherently superior.

You mention the Corvette. Our automotive press routinely beats on the Corvette as a sub-world-class sportscar. Since it beats the competition in every measureable way, they beat up on the quality of plastic in the dashboard, etc.

I liked Weatherby's. My dad always wanted one. But they had a period where their customer service was really bad, and it kind of turned me off. Now they don't make LH guns. My South African PH's really like them for the action strength and long-range, heavy-hitting cartridges, though, and find them worth the money.

The other "American" thing going on with Weatherby, though, is the American markets tendency to be distinctly either highbrow or lowbrow. The high-end guys are chasing BMW, Lexus, Sako, and brit guns, but the buy-American guys buy Chevrolets, Fords, Winchesters, Rugers, and Remingtons, not Cadillac's, Lincolns, and Weatherbys.

Steve

Robgunbuilder,

In the next couple of months I need to drive out to New Mexico to see my aunt. If I'm done with installing the supercharger on my Chevy pickup, I'll drive it. Otherwise, I'll take the 67 Camaro with the 350.

While I'm there, I hope to go spotlighting coyotes with the neighbor.

I'm working on a paper for a leading learned journal on how different Americans are from other citizens of other former British colonies, and was wondering if I should take a short hop to Las Vegas while I'm out there to discuss it with you.

Steve

BTW, I've got a Winchester 9410; the .300RUM's become my favorite chambering; I've got 3 .45-70's including a Pedersoli dbl rifle; and I want a .280 AI, ideally on a Mauser action...you'd better get me scheduled for the Jerry Springer show.

skl1

They still list Left hand under their Product Upgrade section of the website. Whether that actually happens I don't know.

Australians beat up on their own cars. It is interesting you mention Sako under highbrow. In Austalia a Sako costs a only a little more than a Model 70 and Rem 700 and Ruger is priced down with Howa and Vanguard.

One thing that makes our prices shift into different positions to the US is that we are paying import duties and importing costs on all of the rifles.

I have a feeling that Ruger bolt actions are special export models we get. In Australia it tends to run like this....well I only bought a Ruger because etc...

Mike

By the way I REALLY LIKE Corvettes! My 67 makes about 900 hp ( Merlin 540 BB-now). It spun it's tires on the loacal dyno despite all the tie down straps in the shop. I like to terrorize the BMW crowd with it. Bet it will beat an Aussie supercharged Toyota-Rob

I hate anything with the words "Remington Ultra Mag." in it. For that matter I hate just about all Remington rifles.

I have no desire for:

Any big game rifle thats not a Mauser or Win. pre 64 M-70,

Double rifles in rimless cartridges

Shotguns with one barrel except the mod 12, don't ask!

Naked women don't turn me on anymore, must be the water, but its a releaf!! Don't laugh, ya'll going to be there some day soon...

Ray,
Viagra won't even help. You made need a shot of testosterone. That might bring back your appreciation for naked women, and make you even "testier," if we could stand that.

And just as non-seriously as the above,
Might I suggest a support group called Weatherby Anonymous to help us through our guilt feelings?

quote:

Originally posted by Paul H:

The AR series rifles in anything over 30 cal.

Where's your sense of adventure?

RIP

Two rifles I do like is the Rem 700 African Plains Rifle, they have the all steel bottom metal and would be nice in 7mm Ultra. The African Big Game rifle with the 3 shot in line feed magazine. But it may be discontinued because when you click on the link it brings up Error.

That would be nice in 375 Ultra. I like the rivoted in extractor on the Rem 700s and especially where you can see where they were ground level with the bolt.

However, the Rem 700s don't seem to be able to generate the wide spread dislike you get with the Wbys.

One thing about those Rem 700s they have the biggest recoil lug in the business and more stock material material behind the recoil lug. Mauser as you know specialise in the 222 size recoil lug and like to move the recoil lug back to reduce the stock material behind the recoil lug. And then there is the tiny tang that is just big enough to hold the screw.

Mike

Never will I admit a Remington is anything but BAD, though I will tolerate them in their place, in the back of the gun safe, along with the rest of the good, bad and ugly tools.

Some of you boys are slinging a mightly wide paintbrush, about Remingtons.

Be carefull of the use of the word "ALL", there are CRF Remingtons.

Here's Mine


Hog Killer

HogKiller,

Nice rifle.

Steve

quote:

Originally posted by Urodoji:

quote:

Originally posted by Paul H:

The AR series rifles in anything over 30 cal.

Where's your sense of adventure?

I have a 458 Lott and a 500 Jeffrey. The big bore AR's are a joke in comparison. It's like putting a big block V-8 in a VW bug.

I have nothing against the AR platform, for the purpose they were intended. It's when you try to make them something they're not, and can't be, that I don't like it.

Touche' (sorry about the french) Hog Killer! Hey, maybe you should send that picture to Remington and remind them of how bolt actions should REALLY be built! jorge

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:
Touche' (sorry about the french) Hog Killer! Hey, maybe you should send that picture to Remington and remind them of how bolt actions should REALLY be built! jorge

Jorge,

Thats a great idea, but do you REALY think o'Green would reintroduce a contol feed rifle, thats big enough to handle full lenght rounds? I think just for the heck of it, I will e-mail o'Green and see want they say. I will post any reply here.

Hog Killer

Hog Killer,

They will respond. Use their Ask a Question and you will get an auto reply that says 2 or 3 business days. But sometimes they come back in a couple of hours.

You might here something about 3 rings of steel.

Mike

Jorge, Mike375,

I just sent them an e-mail. We will just have to wait and see what their responce will be.

Hog Killer

I just wish they would have a Sako, Wby, Howa type extractor that always easily slips over the case rim and also means they don't need as much case head protruding from the chamber.

An integral recoil lug would also be nice.

Mike

Rem 700's don't generate the same hatred because of their main advantages over a WBY.
1. They are ususally accurate.
2. They cost between $400-700 dollars US
3. They don't have shiny stocks with INLAYS
4. They don't say Weatherby anywhere.
5. They usually feed properly
6. They hold more than three shots down
The local pimps don't own them. They like Weatherby's much more!

Here is some real Weatherbys

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/913107281/r/913107281#913107281