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I have been considering a MPI "A-Square Hannibal" style stock for a 460 WBY. From those you you who have shot Hannibals, what did you think of the stock design. It seems like a good idea but I know that doesn't always hold true in the field. | ||
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Ugly stock. Clunky stock. Unweildy stock. | |||
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Stock design?You gotta be kidding? Can you spell aged railroad tie? Wide Butt is good otherwise Art Alpin steroid overdose. Ever really seen one? Here is another clue, MPI stocks are the pits.Save your money. You could make a better stock yourself even if you never msde one before. -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Did you mean the "Triple-Chunk" from A-Square? I defer to 500 Grains and Robgunbuilder on the aesthetics and functionality. Indeed form follows function here. As for MPI, my own two bits: @!$%#^&*+}{|?!@rattzlefattzle@!#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!!!!! Been there and done that and will never do it again!!!! | |||
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Choose MPI- When you've flat run out of options!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I have owned my A-Square Hannibal in 458 Lott for seven months now. I put a Leupold VX-7 scope on it, and had Talbot make me a QD mount for it. I love this setup. So far, I've shot quite a lot of ammo thru it in preparation for a Tanzania hunt next October. This is my favorite of the big bore guns in my collection; I own a CZ and Kimber Caprivi both in 375 H&H, and a Ruger in 416 Rigby. This Hannibal is a fine shooting gun. Way funner to shoot than my 300 RUM and my 264 WM. Yes, the stock is a handful - its not a ladies gun. It reminds me of my M1 Garand - not as slim and trim as my Caprivi - but does its job well. Jack Hood DRSS | |||
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I have never owned and will never own one. Aesthetics are important to me. Still, if you are at the range with yours and offer me a shot I will take it. I have wondered from time to time if the recoil reducing properties of the stock are all that they're cracked up to be by A2. But even if they make a .500 A-Square kick like a .222, they are ugly. And I would as soon be seen with an ugly rifle as an ugly woman. My wife will appreciate that comment, although others with less taste and savoir faire will not. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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A-Square rifles are built on an Enfield action, and an Enfield can be nicely stocked just as easily as not. Example:  | |||
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Art was presented with a challenge.. move 100 rail road ties out of his garden, and so he whipped out his electric chain saw and whittled out the coil CHUNK stock... Ugly? wow, yeah, that's a nice way to say it.. There's no reason someone with an eye couldn't make the butt wide and tall (enough) to help.. Dang it, folks, CAST, LOP, and TIP mean way more than the obese thing art came up with... MPI? Mustly pump inject? Must plaster (over) imperfections? I sent one back, even though it was on super special, from brownells.. i think i paid more to ship it back than i paid for it, and it was a deal at twice that shipping rate jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Livelyness is vital in a practical dangerous game rifle. Your DRG should feel alomst alive in your hands - like an M1 carbine, winchester 92 or 25"barreled Churchil shotgun. Art put a clunky stock on his rifles beliveing (probably correctly) that most Americans like to shoot off a bench... and that his rifles would fire 99% of their shots eighter from the bench or at least not more than a few dozen paces from the truck. Therefore, a rifle that is pleasant to shoot alot was more important than a rifle that was actually suitable for dangerous game- especially as people who bought his rifles were going to Africa as Clients not as PH's  | |||
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Come on guys! It's a hell of a concept in its versatile utility. Didn't anyone realize that it also serves an effective bludgeon and war club? And pounding tent stakes into the hard earth is a breeze with the improvised tree stump. Try THAT with those sleek pieces of eye candy! And by the way, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some hunters may actually prefer a more "rubenesque" feel to their beloved field companion - a grained paramour that takes two hugs from the chalkline just to get all the way around her. One that can cast a shadow of sufficient mass to create a shady respite from the hot African sun. Yes, steak is tasty, but there are those that prefer the entire cow. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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Never saw an A-Square rifle. Is this the stock being discussed?  DEAR LORD! That looks like a hunter class benchrest stock, good luck trying to shoot that offhand! Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.  | |||
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Tyler, that's the one! Although most of them have little figure in the grain. | |||
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To Ganyana's point, it does more closely resemble a bench rest stock than anything else: http://scopeusout.com/custom-rifle-stocks/target-stocks/ A description uttered in some of our more urban areas seems to be particularly appropriate in describing this stock: That "Baby got Back!". SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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I was at a gun shop north of Paris a couple of weeks ago (FMR) and there were two A2s for sale from an estate sale. One in 470 Capstick and one in another caliber that I have forgotten. I shouldered it, and found it terrible to hold, terrible to get on target, ungainly, in short, not my cup of tea at all. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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To be frank, I've never handled one of A2's rifles, but I can certainly appreciate the efforts he took in mitigating recoil force via stock design as opposed to slapping a brake on the barrel. The problem is, he only got half the equation. IMO, designing a proper hunting rifle is as much about beauty as it is functionality. I suppose if you were a robot obsessed with function and had no regard for aesthetics, they'd be right up your alley. Me, I'll take a prettier rifle that kicks a little more. Still, I wouldn't mind taking a shot with one to see how well they work. _____________________________________________________ No safe queens! | |||
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I get the impression that someone took a barreled action and hammered it into a tree stump... I would give up hunting before I would pack that monstrousity into the field. I used to say I had never seen a gun I didn't like, Art changed that...  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I truly wonder if any part of this thing was "Designed". Frankly I think it was actually a combination of CHEAP CRUDE PARTS and finish combined with a marketing Gimmic called the Hannible Coil CHECK Stock. It was combined with a resonably well thought through series of cartridges which sell based on Horsepower envy. Art thought that most guys who have the cash to hunt in Africa are too stupid to know a real DGR from a fencepost and so out popped the Hannible.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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At least with that stock there is enough wood to re-shape it. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I'll be the odd man out. I love classy rifles as much as anyone, but the 2 A2 I have coonfingered, and shot (a 416 rigby and a 500 A2)both shot well and I did not get brused up with either one. I shot aprox 40 rounds of 416 rigby at one setting, and 20 rounds of 500 A2 at one setting. Some of the most comfortable big bore shooting I have done. Not pretty but functional, now the peanut gallery is open! Fire away! Ed DRSS Member | |||
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C'mon Mac. In this case, that form does actually serve a purpose... Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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Those coil check stocks are hideous monstrosities. Art should stick to cartridge design, which he is good at. | |||
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I own three a-square rifles 500 A-square, 375 H&H and 338 Excalibur. I like them. I have not found them to be a problem to carry, quickly shoulder or aim my rifle at all. It is my experience that it is easier for me to be more accurate with with these guns than the light little stock guns so many of you cherish. Everyone has their thoughts but for me I do not like little lite stock guns. My A-Square rifles are very accurate and have proven to be very durable. | |||
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Never shot one myself, so I don't have an opinion on them, but I admire you Bob for jumping into this thread with that post ...  Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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There was one for sale here several months ago and I mentioned it here on this forum and it was sold within a couple of days. While I personally didn't find it attractive it did not handle all THAT bad and would probably be comfortable to shoot. I am always amazed at this statement that the gun has to 'come alive' in your hands. All rifles and shotguns I handle are plain wood and steel and never seem to achieve this miraculous transition to something alive in my hands. If the fit and balance are good they handle good but 'I' do the handling the gun does not somehow 'come alive'. Nothing really mystical about it. Personal opinion only. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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Zim, you'll know it when you feel it! A lively gun seems to point where you think, and after that you'll never look back or be able to tolerate a crappy design again. Bob DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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The stock design may be ugly to most people (including me), but in my limited experience shooting my cousin's .416 Weatherby it works as advertised. Cousin has carried and shot his quite a bit, and has had no issues with it. As to MPI stocks, I have no experience. Dave One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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I really just look at my stocks as tool handles that must work for me. The swirls in the wood do look unique to each gun and I really give no attachement of beauty as some describe their guns as being humanistic. With that said, that character that 500 grains likes to look at an must believe the rest of us should look at is ugly to me. If that is what this beauty and beast thing might include I definetly don't want to have him or others making my choices and I would certainly question their recomendations. | |||
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I like the A-Sqaure stock, I wish it had good checkering, it has NONE - MPI I know zero about. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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MPI, IF a fellow can put one on his rifle AND it looks good! Then by God you are talented!! | |||
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