90-95% - post 64 Win Model 70 Safari Express - .375 H&H CRF .

It has a Shilen barrel installed from the Win custom shop. Also has Leupold Quick Release bases.

Gun looks good, but I honestly don't kow what a fair price is. I am thinking about buying it, but wanted to see what you guys thought it is worth - thanks!

Without seeing it's kinda tough to put a realistic value on it. So just thinking it has a nice piece of walnut, and as mentioned in excellent condition $1800-? Not sure what the market will be for model 70 magnum length rifles in .375, .458 etc. If the new owners bring these back with good quality then I expect values of US Repeating arms versions to drop slightly. But then it's still Win model 70 and they hold some value. Mostly an opinion, Rodney.

"post 64" is the giveaway in my mind....nothing wrong with that, as I have one. BUT....I think that drops the #'s a touch....say $1400-1600 for one in the condition you speak of.
Pre 64.....those prices are crazy high in my mind.

Gary
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I have a Sako 75 Hunter I paid a little under
$1000 about 12 years ago. That rifle shoots tight groups.

oh BS ..
in a couple months, winchester will be making these again, and the price will go back to value. 1000-1400 bucks TOPS

I, personally, don't ascribe mythical stature to the m70, and have in fact owned this same model, though in .416, and thought it was a fair gun. NOT anything like being on par with an RSM, other than being lighter.

I would'nt have placed such a high value on it other than it is a custom shop model with a Shilen barrel, other than that value would be considerable lower. Retail on a model 70 custom safari express .375H&H in 2006 was $3,252- and model 70 custom African express .375H&H again in 2006 Winchester catalog was $4,867-. Standard model 70 .375H&H retail was $937 again in 2006. Wonder how many actually sold from the custom shop? Too high in my opinion for a model 70. Rodney.

Maybe I should sell mine before they start making them again! Rodney.

Jeffe

I know you are going to Hell for what you just said above!! Heh! Shame on you, I think you are laying in wait for me, putting some bait out I think!

Tim

The going rate should be around $1200 to $1500 for anything 375 and above control feed guns. If you get a chance for a Winchester M70 that is the only bolt gun in the world, everything else is........well, something else! If it don't say Winchester on it you don't need it End of Story!

Jeffe
Shame on you!!!!!


Michael

Sorry, Michael .. USRAC isn't engraved on my altar, sorry!

Soo at $900 - it is a decent buy?

at 900? even to me, its probably a decent buy

Being a custom shop rifle, $900.00 sounds like a decent price. Go on Gunsamerica and Gunbroker and try to find one. Good luck.

I think it is a marginal assumption at best that Winchester will ever manufacture another Safari Express again. The inroads made on that market by CZ and Ruger will have a definite effect on decisions made by the bean counters at Winchester. If they ever do build another one, it'll be long after you have a need for it.

Regardless of the Winchester bashers evident here, it's a damned good rifle. I get sub MOA out of mine and it has earned its keep in the field. From what I've seen of stock CZ's there is no comparison in quality. The stock CZ looks like a club up against the .375 Safari Express, and shoots like one. Of course, if you want to buy a CZ and then spend another seven or eight hundred dollars making it into something worth owning, go for it.

Jet

Here Here! Jeffe is not bashing (not too much anyway) I am a die hard Winchester or nothing fan. However like nearly anything from the factory these days sometimes they need a little tweaking. Not much, not always, just from time to time. I have built my entire series of wildcats on Winchesters, have taken Winchesters all over the world and have yet to have one fail me anywhere. All mine are classic control feed. Anything from 223 WSSM up to 500 MDM and everything in between, especially big bore.

I don't bash much of anything, but you could not give me for free a CZ anything. I like the Rugers I have, but heavy, bulky and robust. My days of carrying a 10-12 lb beast in the field are over.

Michael

Get this...I agreed to the guys' price, and he backed out because he assumed I was in his state, and he wouldn't ship the gun! Back to square one...

You might ask him to take it too a dealer and ask the dealer to middle man the transfer. He could be worried about the legality. Worse case you are out an extra 100 bucks on what sounds like your getting a $2k+ rifle for 1k? Its a recession, plenty of deals take that job for 100 bucks.

My 2c FWIW

I asked him to do that_ He said he didn't want to have to travel to a dealer to do it? Seemed nuts to me...TH

let me start with I was expressing my opinion. I am not a m70 zealot by any stretch.. but I am not a fanatic about any brand, period, full stop. I do prefer made in the USA, when there's a choice, but not to the point of offering "charity" to pay 1.5X or higher for that.

My personal perspective IS skewed a bit, as I basically can't use any factory stock set at 13.5", and I know I have to restock just about anything, as I don't like scope cuts. Fortunately, I can turn and fit my own stocks, so high grade factory stocks mean wasted money to me. My LOP is right at 15" and specers look STUPID on a high end rifle.


Jet did offer several strongly stated points, and i am NOT confounting HIM, rather his statements and inferences. Since the internet doesn't allow for tone and emotion, this will come over like I am being bombastic.. i am just answering him, directly

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
Being a custom shop rifle....

i didn't read it was certainly a custom shop, as those are marked differently, rather I read it was barreled by the custom shop. If that's custom shop, for certain, then it shows my ignorance.

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
I think it is a marginal assumption at best that Winchester will ever manufacture another Safari Express again.
....

without a doubt, FN WILL produce the big bore rifles, though the title may change. this is a high profile section of business, and HIGH dollar sales, and requires only the LOng action

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
Regardless of the Winchester bashers evident here,....

Name ONE! I don't bash them, bashing means stating things like "those are junk". I think they are good guns, HOWEVER, the realist in me says people are paying STUPID prices for a name, and USRAC or MRC is all the same to me, its the ACTION and the function that matters.

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Originally posted by jetdrvr: it's a damned good rifle. ....

correction, the line makes some good rifles, though by and large, they are not exceptional FOR THE CURRENT PRICES

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:... CZ bashing....

Jet, seriously, you can't say in one line that CZ has erroded winchesters market and then bash them for being crap in comparison. It defeats the arguement.

CZ and Ruger AND REMINGTON have been "flooding" the big bore market for what, 15-17 years now?
STREET PRICES
Just before winchester folded its tent, (remember, guys, i TRACK PRICES) the last time, the prices were about 600 for a cz, 900 for a m70 safari, and 1250 for a ruger. Without a doubt, the ruger was the highest grade above all of them, period, full stop. Today the CZ is 900 and the ruger with 1600, both up 50%, which means, AT THE SAME QUALITY, a brand NEW winchester should be $1250. less 20-50% for being used, depending on condition.

ANYTHING about $1250 is paying for vanity, guys. The $900 is a screaming good price, even if its in a medium bore (LOL< now THERE'S stirring the pot)

I am not a winchester basher, and heck, I even like the pushfeeds .. amd I equally not a zealot, and I hate paying for the BRAND NAME not for substance

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Originally posted by Tim Herald:
I asked him to do that_ He said he didn't want to have to travel to a dealer to do it? Seemed nuts to me...TH

doens't pass the smell test to me. ROAD TRIP