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So, you gonna take me up on my offer: I post photos, you apologize and mind your own advice to shut up and learn something? Or you gonna shoot (wet) paper elephants and play make believe? JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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Enough BS, y'all. Let us accept the fact that RN solids work adequately on elephant head shots. Explanation: RN solids also penetrate straight-line fashion in a stack of boards, and with the lower resistance of their nose shape, penetrate deeper than the FN. The sidewall forces on the bullet from the wood or bone keep the wobbly RN path in a straight line. FN solids will have the sidewall stabilization too, in addition to their shoulder stabilization from the FN ... as long as the copper FN does not deform too irregularly or increase its meplat diameter too much. Brass truncated-cone FN solid would be best. The FN solid is still the better bullet for all possible situations on body and head shots of any game that a solid is needed for. The artificial media tests proove the truncated-cone-FN is better than the ogive-FN or the RN solid, for straight line across varying media. Bolt Action: The brass TC-FN wins by a nose, in the bolt rifle. Copper TC-FN is a close second best, with the slightly denser, though softer monometal. FMJ-RN "solid" third rate. Double Rifle: The gilding-metal-clad-steel-FMJ-lead-cored RN "solid" will do in a double, but a copper-banded-monometal TC-FN solid might do better in the long run, in a double: North Fork or GSC I wouldn't use a brass RN solid in any rifle.   | |||
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More "artificial media" make believe!  But if make believe is appropriate on any day, today is one of four. We have some medium game animals, Rudolf and eight others, we have the elves and we have Santa all flying in, by sleigh.  :One of the other days involves a small furry game animal known as the Easter Bunny.  Probably most familiar to you all is April 1.  The fourth, gouls, goblins and witches come to life on October 31, this one must be the favorite too.  So today I won't interfere with those who wish to play make believe.  Merry Christmas.  JPK Free 500grains | |||
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Rip! I think you summed things up pretty well but I see a couple of other things that need to be considered. Bolt Rifles: Truncated FN mono-metal solids will not feed in all bolt rifles and if you want to keep bullet weight up for increased stopping power then factory barrel twist rates may not stabilize them. It will be hard to convince PHs in Africa that a 450 grain bullet will provide the same stopping power as a 500 grain bullet. Consequently, they may be be best for the rifle nut willing to handload and change barrel twist rate if needed. I really doubt that any big anmmo company will ever load trincated comne FN bullets of any kind in factory loads. Duoble Rifles: The truncated nosed FN solid may be best for doubles if the normally slow twist associated with these rifles will stabilize them and they will not hurt regulation. Again, I doubt that the commercial factories will ever produce them in double rifle calibers for that reason. 465H&H | |||
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JPK,I read your PH's comments on your last hunt and noticed you missed your shot on more than one occasion.It seems a little practice on paper targets will do you some good.Maybe Idaho SHARPSHOOTER can give you some advice! It will be better to concentrate on the shhoting because if you missed them then I am sure they will not penetrate/ | |||
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No doubt. I run a bit better than about 50% success on frontal brain shots. And the same for side brain shots too. Currently 10 for 18. The bullets hit where I want them to, but my judgement has been off on the POI required to reach the brain, ussually about two or three feet behind POI. On that trip we killed six elehants, three with brain shots and three ended up gunfights. Bought a cheap double to practice with after that hunt! JPK Free 500grains | |||
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Hmm after this p)$$IN CONTEST AND NO REAL INFORMATION ON THE ? AT HAND I REMEMBER WHY I DON'T COME HERE MUCH ANYMORE. GOOOD HUNTING "D" Although cartridge selection is important there is nothing that will substitute for proper first shot placement. Good hunting, "D" | |||
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D Hunter. Read the post above your own. "No Real Information?" Maybe you posted this without seeing JPK's post. I have posted often here about the difference in penetration between my 465 grain TCCI (A Square) mono metal RN and 450 grain North Form FN. 31-19 inches for three RN vs over 60 inches for 4 FN. This was on elephant by the way! No theory, just fact. I would have loved to have this information available to me before I went elephant hun ting in 2005. Andy | |||
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I contacted honady and said they had a real mess on their hands. after getting all the model numbers of the types of bullets they had for sale at this time and recently prior, i checked the retailers numbers, prices, and descriptions.. The sellers dont know what is going on, the model numbers are mixed up, and they are selling old model bullets for new model at old model prices. .. Not hornady is doing this some sellers are.. Hornady did not sepparate the names of the bullets accuratly enough to stop this mess and you dont know what your ordering, the sellers dont know what they have and etc.. the sellers for some reason are putting the wrong model numbers on the bullets infering they are an 80 dollar bullet when its acutally a 39 dollar bullet.. I dont know where the mixup is but some feel that all dangerous game solids are copper plated steel, not so! then you have encapsulated,,, three kinds of solids for the dealers to mix up. Its a mess and hornady will suffer greatly if someone gets hurt or killed becouse they bought a steel bullet from someone that that is encapsilated or what ever, its a mess and they will get what they have spawned.. It almost like bait and switch, i wont say it was on purpose but a dangerous shortcomming.. . For what its worth the .45 500 grain inter bond at 2100 fps shoots well for me and holds up to dirt tests well,expanding to about an inch with 360 grain retention, and seems like it would be fine for anything in the americas such as moose or bear.. I am only guessing but it seemes like it would take a lion apart at the seams.. .. dave hunter, blackpowder shooter, photographer, gemology, trap shooter,duck hunter,elk, deer, etc.. | |||
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Round nose bullets don't work only the new fangled flat points do! Well I guess many thousands of dead game animals have suddenly been resurrected since we now know round noses don't work! I think the flat nose proponents are nothing more than "whores to then gun writers". What f!!!ing BS!! But the again that is typical of Accurate Reloading. By the way, except no substitute to Woodleighs (Hornady's included) they simply WORK!!! | |||
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I'm a huge fan of Woodleighs and have used them on more than a few buff and eles. They remain my choice for the first shot on eles, and I've come to the conclusion that about any solid will work for buff. But, as good as the Woodleighs are, the flat nose solids will always outpenetrate them and significantly - on order of 35%, if the two are both loaded to the same potential, as in not sandbagging the FN. Since the FN's penetrate so well, they are my choice for the second shot on an ele, since the first will be a brain shot requiring good penetration, but not exceptional penetration, as a second shot might if the first shot doesn't hit the brain. JPK Free 500grains | |||
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ffffg, the easy way to dicern which Hornaday solid will work and which has a history of trouble is to use a magnet. If the magnet sticks, the solid has a steel jacket. Hornaday's old round nose solids were/are fine bullets. The current steel jacketed Hornaday solids have a flat meplat as well as a steel jacket. JPK Free 500grains | |||
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all of the below, while somewhat important, has nothing to do with the topic at hand .. we are discussing DGS and DGX bullets.
opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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thats interesting jeffeososo, theres 5 pages here, others and the post previous to mine has nothing said about dgs or dgx or hornady for that matter. My post is mostly refering to the repeat naming of the dgs bullets which is my prime concern of hornadies mess im refering to.. the title of the post is new manufacuture hornady round nose and solids,,, At least five of the posts on this page alone say nothing obout dgs, or hornady bullets, so why are you singleing me out? The whole point of my post is if you buy these attractive priced dgs bullets (500 grain .458) you will not recieve the new bullets, look them up in midway, and read the model number and the description, the two dont match!!!! If you buy the correct new hornady solids they are about 80.00 a box, simular to woodliegh prices if you buy them right.. Hardly attractively priced... dave hunter, blackpowder shooter, photographer, gemology, trap shooter,duck hunter,elk, deer, etc.. | |||
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Dave, Don't take it personal, its not aimed at you as a person, nor does it contradict what you said the FIRST post in this thread reads, in december 2008
In decemeber 2008, the NEW FP bullets ARE dgx/dgs bullets, and those bullets are scheduled to be CHEAPER ( adjusted for inflation )than either the interbond or innerlock. cheap 458 solids - 43 bucks per 50 is cheap .Also, by december 2008, the interbond bullet was OLD news, out for years. QPQ, LD's post related to the new DGX/DGS FP, and not the "old shape" Inter/Inner/RN. Your post related to confusion around the Old shaped bullets, while accurate (they confuse ME) aren't topical opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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