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When checking out the varous 500-510 calibre cartridges I have found one name misleading. The 416, 458 and 470 Accurate Reloading cartridges were all based on a RUM spec, with a .550 headsize (between the standard 'magnum' .532" belt and the Rigby .589"), and shortened. But the 500 Accurate Reloading of similar name is based on a fullsize .589" Rigby case head, shortened to a 'standard length' action. Is it too late to change the name? I can think of many names for this cartridge based on a Rigby case, necked up to .510" and restricted in case length to 2.65": 500 Mbogo Compact Magnum 500 Mbogo Short Magnum 500 Nyati 500 Joobo (Luwo for buffalo', maybe Luo, too.) 500 Rigby Short Magnum 500 Rigby Compact Magnum 12.7x67 Magnum 500 Smith (could work if not confused with S&W) 500 S&H (for Smith and Hall) 500-07 (assuming 2007 as the year of design) Or following the lead of the .458 Win, .505 Gibbs, and 500 MDM, we could use the bore diameter: .510 Nyati .510 Rigby Short Magnum All would be more transparent or less confusing than 500 Acc Rel. The 510 Wells and 500 Asquare, are separate animals, with belts; and likewise the 500 MDM and 500 B&M are separate with their unique headspace, bore-size, and RUM background. So can something be agreed on for the 500 Rigby Short, a.k.a. 500 Smith, 500 Nyati, 510 Nyati, etc., or are people actually happy with 500 Accurate Reloading? A compromise might be 500 Nyati Accurate Reloading (Adding the name Nyati would help to signal the design break with the other AccRel cartridges, assuming that Nyati is otherwise free for the .510, and adding Accurate Reloading for continuity with the whole set as designed by Jeffeoso and Hall.) Personally, I would like a simple 510 Nyati. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | ||
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Well - I like the 500 AR name.. simple and good.. But I see your point.. | |||
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Let Jeffeoso et al decide but I like 500AR. | |||
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i see what you are saying .. though i have named them after this site. the proper name 500 Accurate Reloading ,,, like the 450 G&A or 7 STa ... the short name had been 500AR, except that it could not be imported to austrailia, as it was confused with the AR platform.. thise, 500 AccRel i hear what you are saying... and if you put 500Nyati / 500AccRel on your barrel, you can have the name you want and likely little hassle on headstamp matching rifle markings there is no confusion between 223 remington and 416 remington ...  opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Tanzan: Dude, you can't change the name of Jeff's cartridge. It would be a sacrilege! It's gotta be the .577 AccRel! That darn Jeff. Pretty soon he is going to figure out how to squeeze a .620 bullet into a standard length Winchester or a Ruger.  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave, i CAN do that, on a savage! i think you could do a mini-600 .. rebated rim .. but the problem would quickly become one of barrel weight... on a ruger! (yikes) opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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A parent case type is almost never used in naming a later/mod od that case, 300 Win mag 7 Rem mag, 8 Rem mag, 300 Wby, 340 Wby 458 Lott, etc, are ALL based on the 375 H&H brass. It is not named in any of it's offsprings names. Just too confusing to do so. Keith IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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I hear you in the tradition. It's just that more recently we were treated to the 300WSM, 270WSM, 325 WSM, 300 RUM 338 RUM, 375 RUM, and now the 416 AccR, 458 AccR, 470 AccR and the 500 AccR. It just seemed like something was standing out in that crowd, but if everyone is happy I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. I think that Jeffeoso's cartridge is absolutely a suberb design, something crying out to happen like the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger. I'll go with whatever he wants to call it. Also, as he mentioned, one needs to be careful with the 'AR' name because of semi-auto confusion. Hence my AccR above. I'm new at these calibres. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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You should see the eyes pop open trying to get the "50 B&M" across the pond--All they know is 50 BMG. Amazing that sometimes such simple names get confused with something else! Now what I do when sending in for a permit, I send a photograph of a 50 B&M next to a 50 BMG, explain that they cannot fit into the same rifle, that one is .500 caliber, the other is .510 caliber, and send actual photos of the rifles! This has worked in Africa and Australia so far and has solved all issues, questions, and concerns before hand, at least most of the time thus far? Head stamps may be getting to be more of an issue in Africa than they have in the past. In all the trips I have been on to all destinations I have yet to have anyone look at or comment about the head stamp. I have had ammo counted many times, never a word about the headstamp. I understand from Hunters Support that South Africa is cracking down on head stamps now because of so many "Naughty" hunters bringing unauthorized ammo to their PH's! Can't have that now can we, liable to start a f&%k&*G crime wave in such a civilized part of the world with all that "Unauthorized" ammo getting in the country! What a bunch of Horse Shit! Now can you imagine trying to explain to one of those ignorant monkeys that work for ANY GOVERNMENT--ours included, of how you make the brass for you 500 Whiz banger out of 300 RUM? No man-it says 300 RUM it is 300 RUM--but sir, the bullet is .500 caliber? Huhhhhhhh? Oh my god! Please! M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Tan, Only thing wrong with your naming conventions is that the 500 AccRel with 2.65” case is a standard length cartridge rather than a short length (<3.0” length) cartridge. Then as Michael notes...the need for proper headstamped brass. Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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You're right. 'Short' is a relative word, but the startin point was a 'Rigby'. A short tennis player and a short basketball player may not be the same height. Like with 'magnum': there are magnums (.532": 7mm, 338), long magnums (375 HH), ultra magnums (.550 case heads),'super-magnums (.580-.590" case heads:416 Rigby, 460 Weatherby), and super-super magnums (505 Gibbs, .640 case head) I like Jeffeoso's solution, print more than one name on the barrel. All I need for such a project is cash, time, and a way to see it brought over to Africa. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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