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What say you boys? " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | ||
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I use dokter red dot sights on all my doubles,very happy with em. DRSS | |||
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Thing is, I have seen red dot sights to n Amazon for as low as $ 20 something " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Prefer the Docter III on the double;Have also used Trijicon. On Handguns and AR's also have used Docter and Trijican , as well as Aimpoint T1 ,FastFire,DeltaPoint and Vortex. There are Many others out there that I have not used and the number of variants are growing. | |||
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See my post in double section and frustrations with regulation. Dokter worked | |||
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Milan, pony up the money for a Leupold Delta Point PRO with the 2.5 moa dot. Cabelas runs them on ad for $399 pretty regularly. They will absolutely hold up on your .500. I use them on several of my guns including my Gibbs. Wayne at AHR recommends them for his monster bores! Call me. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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After considerable deliberation, and a conversation with Ivan Carter, I went with the Trijicon RMR - green triangle version. | |||
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You must have the Dual illum. fiber optic/tritium model. I have the green triangle in two of my Trijicon scopes. I understand the theory on using them up close but in my opinion it covers too much of the target. I have one on my 416 "buffalo rifle" where it is great but I have shot deer and a wolf up close with it and had some issues with that big 13moa aiming point obscuring the animal, making a precise shot more difficult. Like all things in life, do your homework, look through them all then buy what works best for you and your intended quarry! "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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I also use the dual illum. green triangle Trijicon RMR. Maybe i am using the triangle wrong, but I use the top tip of the triangle as my aiming point, you can not get more precision than the point of a triangle. Now when using a dot, I would center the dot on my target and prefer a 2 moa dot on a hunting rifle. | |||
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I have a Docter on my .470. Shoot most everything on safari with it out to 100 yards. Practice, practice, practice. The small MOA dot is a game changer for the two pipe. | |||
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I have a DO. Love it. One can shoot further that you think. Mine did die on me last year . The factory wigged out. They shock proofed it. | |||
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Kind of not cricket old boy!! No real nostalgic would be so rash as to mount a laser or use a red light gathering bead! One uses Ivory. If one cannot shoot a iron sighted double then what,s the double got to offer, it has nothing going for it other than a fast second shot, and that's an overrated scenario, never have I seen an instance wherein a bolt rifle wouldn't have served me as well, that mini second difference is almost a fairy tale.. Doubles are all about nostalgia, and that good feeling of yesteryear you get when using one..All else is in ones imagination..I love it. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, Good points on the doubles and nostalgia. In my case, I have never even held a double much less fired one. My reference was to red dots on various rifles and one pistol that I have used. I do not have the eyes for open sights past 50 yards, give me a small red dot or triangle on a rifle and I can easily push 100 yards plus, give me a scope and I am good to 300 yards. I am sure there are many on this site that can do much much better. | |||
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Ray, Point taken. However, my handloads to not regulate to the point of impact where the factory loads did (nor did the factory use a projectile I deem appropriate for my tasks). With the red dot I am able to roll my own and increase my effective range. I am only spending 30-40 days a year across the pond, and I love to shoot my double. In this light, I am able to shoot my own handloads, in my favorite rifle (with a gun bearer carrying my scoped rifle), and able to make shots out to 100 yards. | |||
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You are using the sight correctly, my point was that at CLOSE range when trying to adjust for a quick yet precise shot, that big 13 moa triangle is not the easiest to adjust for. "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Got it! It is not an issue for me, and I realize what works for me, or bothers me for that matter, doesn't necessarily apply to any one else. | |||
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Milan, I have a 3 MOA Burris FastFire3 on my Rodda, I would have been happy to let you shoot it at the Safari Challenge. I felt a bit funny about putting it on the old girl, from a traditional standpoint, but I shoot it better and that is what counts. The FF is very small and less obtrusive than some of the other red dots and the 3 MOA dot is easy to pick up without obscuring the target. I know several double shooters that have been using the FF for years and they seem to hold up well. Lee. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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Dieseltrucker, Absolutley correct..I also like the front sight red dot for iron sights in a bolt gun. I don't like any kind of gimmick that sends a laser beam to the target in that Ive seen them fail in that the red spot wasn't clear, I fear the battery might die on me..Irons on the barrel are fool proof as is the proper front sight, My favorite DG set up on a bolt gun is the sturdy NECG gold faced partridge and the shallow V rear, sighted in with the post flush with the top of the shallow V such as one takes with a pistol..Its fast as a ghost ring peep sight and just as accurate as a receiver sight. on a DG double, most shots are within pointing range, especially in a charge situation and I don't want the barrels obscured. I also practice point shooting at 25 to 5o yards off hand, or did back in the day!! Guess Im against technical gimmicks and progress in many ways, and happy with the status quo! I am a nostalgic and I do feel a little sorry for those who have missed out on that wonderful addition to the hunting experience. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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speaking for me -- There's a Prinz that uses a Doktor on his merkel (i think those are correct) and is an absolute master at hammering driven pigs nostalgia ... vs ethical hunting -- if shot placement and safety improve, then do that --- in Texas, it's (was?) illegal to hunt game animals with a laser to indicate shot -- i THINK that was to have people not using laser designators (beam of projected light) on to animals -- which isn't related to the reddot sight (the sight has a red/green dot inside the sight mechanism) i have used both el cheapo BSA and Tasco reddots, as well as a (gasp) scope on my doubles ... the BSA is still working fine opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Just try a Ted dot on running game! Case closed! You'll never use anything else! Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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