In pic is Savage and Enfield in my 700H
3.25" case. Savage 19 lbs, Enfield 20 lbs,
both 32" barrels..Ed

LOL .. and To think i started the 700 DA conversations only partly in jest. Awesome work Ed. .. John and I need to come up and see you, and shoot these bad boys!

can you quickly put the case specs and basic load data too

jeffe

Why the H would anyone use TH stocks on a big bore?

The few times I've fired thumbhole stocked guns, felt recoil was less than I expected.

Perhaps it is because of the ergonomics involved with a more vertical grip and the way the stock fits into the shoulder.

George

I hear Michigan is nice in August. We could get together at Ed's then for "Hubelfest 2008"? Ed, are you a Jackpine Savage*, or lower half?

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

*native michigander euphemism. Ask Ed

We are dealing with interesting recoil,as they say, and thumbhole makes it easier,
especially for load testing. When you get
your grip, you can't let go, like fellas in
Saeed's videos. If loaded at regular African
speeds, set up regular stock, cut off some
barrel. The cases wouldn't even need sizing
at low speeds, and at low speeds with thumbhole
I can shoot it from the hip even.

I'm in central lower MI.Ed

How about stocks for the MRC PHs that some of us want to put Ed's 700H on???

I have heard of UPer's and Trolls, but not Savage, Jackpine ?
I am near Lansing, How far to Brinton.
We need to get together, I would live to see them.
Regards
Nitro450exp

George, I was ragging because you may remember all the crap I got for having a TH on my 416Taylor. I think some of the comments were like "You will rip your thumb off".

quote:

Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
George, I was ragging because you may remember all the crap I got for having a TH on my 416Taylor. I think some of the comments were like "You will rip your thumb off".

DOJ,
I don't think I would have said anything like that, but I might have said that thumbhole stocks are not the easiest to get into play if you bump into a snarling beastie while traipsing through the bush, and working the bolt on a thumbhole-stocked rifle would be slower than on a conventionally-stocked rifle.


Since these are 'bench guns', we'll give Ed plenty of leeway. For now.

George

I'm 20 miles NW of Mt Pleasant up in what
is now the snow hills. I'm shooting similiar loads in these as I do in 12GA FH and it was stocked regular, thumbhole is just as fast
to get bolt open as your hand hasn't slipping
and the back of your fingers ain't bleeding.
Never yet banged back of fingers with any
of 4 thumbhole stocks here. And none are
mickey mouse cases.Ed

quote:

Originally posted by nitro450exp:
I have heard of UPer's and Trolls, but not Savage, Jackpine ?
I am near Lansing, How far to Brinton.
We need to get together, I would live to see them.
Regards
Nitro450exp

Nitro
Ed's in the Clare area (at least I seem to remember hitting the edge of Clare after getting lost leaving his place). Now me, I'm a Troll (lives below THE bridge, eh?) AKA a LOper, from the Sunrise Side.

Jackpine is a type of tree. A Jackpine savage is someone that lives in a Jackpine swamp.

The thumbholes are clumsier for boltaction work with safety disengagement/engagement. Not an issue for a benchrest rifle.

What is an issue is whether there are steel rods imbedded in the two spindly columns of wood that take the recoil aft of the thumbhole. If not, it is a definite loser in the strength department too.

3 of my thumbholes have vertical bolts
through the thumbhole grip. The Savage is on a
reworked Boyd Varmint stock, came for a
Savage 112 so bolt spacing same. I got a
bedding block in it. The Enfield is in a reworked State Arms Mosquito 50 cal stock,
with bedding bar,Both have barrel bands
helping hold em down in front end stocks.
And both for less than a grand.
I'm going to get another Boyd for Enfield.
and put the 8GA FH on other Enfield action in
the Mosquito stock.8ga firing in
couple weeks.Ed

half the trolls are kin to my dad, and most of the upers ... but name like smith, brown, green and bauer, how can you help it?

I'm with ED. Thumbholes work fine on real big bores and the timid can even use a shooting glove. Well done Ed.-Rob

Rob is right-Recovery after shooting hairy big
bores has to be accomplished before you work
bolt. If gun is twisted 45 deg left and up
3-4 ft plus, hard to get to bolt.The
thumbhole allows you to hold the torgue, and keep gun down. If gun doesn't torgue, your
forend hand can hold it down easier.These
are all Trex equivalent and up. I was shooting
my long 700HE in test barrel, I'm up on a hill, and they can hear it like thunder many miles
away. Thumbhole,pad, and decent weight keeps
the blasters from hurting you.Oh you know
you had a ride so to speak, but no blood
gushing out.Ed

Hey Ed, how 'bout those case specs and load data? I'm guessing from the pic thats a P-14 action? Thanks

Yes it is p-14 action using a 17 bolt for
larger firing pin. Here is pic of my long
and short 700s. Enfield and Savage has
short one, it's 3.25" long, .770" rim,
.790" belt, .775" base, .740 mouth.
Good load is 210gr RE19 with 825gr bullet,
for 2500fps.There is a whole thread on my
700s with all kinds of info.It will be to
in a few minutes.Ed

I salute you, Ed!

No muzzlebrakes!!!!