Mike,
Hmm, I see ... NOT!
Just consider this another "Sexual Destiny" thread.
Where's MR?

Hey Mike,
this was meant as irony, right? LOL, you answer this pretty well in the classifeds

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Originally posted by MJines:
The better question -- in my mind -- why all the noise, threads, chatter about goof ball wildcats that simply duplicate the performance of multiple cartridges that have been around for years. Honestly who really cares about the .396 Wontonka Long Bore, the .413-75 King Kong, I mean really, who cares?

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Originally posted by MJines:
Not the sort of thing that everyone would have laying around on the reloading bench but there may be someone out there that has some of this stuff. On the dies, I would really prefer the RCBS dies to CH4D. On the bullets, I am looking for A-Square or Woodleigh round nose SPs and solids, not looking for spitzers.

Thanks.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . always one more. I was telling Buzz, I always felt comfortable with the .458 until he got me in the middle of a group of cow elephant at 20 yards. Then the .458 felt a little puny. I will never forget the game scout's comment, "too close".

Rip, I know you can’t be serious …

But here is why I like em….

Because it’s the excesses in life that make it fun…………..

Fine food, top-shelf booze, fast cars, fast women, big guns, etc…..

Pick your poison….

Needs are boring……..

When I took my 600 to the range Saturday for its initial sight in there was this guy bragging about the cannon he had brought to the range, a 300 Ultra Mag…..

He was shooting at the opposite end of the range from me at the 100 yard back stop and I was shooting at the 25 yard back stop….

He fired a few rounds and continued to go on and on about all the “foot-pounds†his hand loads generated….

I fired my first shot and when the bullet hit the dirt mound, chucks of mud and rock flew clear back up and over the covered shooting benches and landed on the hood of my truck…

We both sat there in awe of what we just saw and as I walked up to the back stop to examine the fist sized hole I just punched through it he asked me, “Why would anyone need something like that?â€

I replied, “need has nothing to do with it.â€

Just my take……

Matt V.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Hey Mike,
this was meant as irony, right? LOL, you answer this pretty well in the classifeds[QUOTE]

Well, not really. It amazes me how much space is taken up on the Big Bore forum by chatter about cartridges that serve no useful purpose whatsoever. That said, I certainly do not begrudge someone from spending their time working on something that serves no useful purpose whatsoever -- hell I spend a good part of my day doing that at work. But I must confess to being a little mystified by the appeal of working on the .495-06 Wotonka Long Bore that is in a case that is 2 micrometers shorter than a .500 NE, but gets .6798584938775 average feet per second more velocity plus you get the added advantage of components that are not now, nor will they ever be, readily available. Just seems alittle esoteric to me. Just one man's opinion and you know what they say about opinions . . .

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Rip!

You know the American saying "Bigger is always better!" even if it doesn't make much sence.

465H&H

And here I've been accusing Texans of that thinking!

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by chatter about cartridges that serve no useful purpose whatsoever.

Applied absolutely, I believe we could develop a list of five or six cartridges that would cover every possible use, relegating all others to the "serve no useful purpose whatsoever" realm. But, then, what would we gun nuts have to pass our time with? I agree that doing so would not impact the HUNTERS much, but what about the rest of us, many of whom haven't killed anything in years, if ever, but still burn up one hell of a lot of powder!

so, we are back to the 30-30 levergun, 30-40 krag, 303 and 8 mauser ???

Mike, there's lots of purpose on most wildcats, especially the bigbores... and some that are just a waste of electronic ink.

but, remember the lott was a wildcat that did LESS than the 460 weatherby, at the same pressures, if one ignores the length of action required. In fact, it is "inferior" as it can not duplicate the webby or the ackley, both which predate

and a 500A2 does nothing as well as a 500 jeffery .... or 505 gibbs .... both the latter are larger cases

and the 416 rigby does nothing better than the 404, loaded to nominal ...

and, of course, ALL the mid 40s NE roundsa re exactly the same thing....

Why big bores? they are "funner" to shoot,to me, and represent a challenge in learning to shoot well.

Heck, Mike, VERY few people shoot big bores are well as you do... and NO ONE handles a merkel 500NE as well...

But the 500 NE doesn't REALLY do anything better than the 470 NE, or the 450 NE, and nothing like as well as the 577NE....


relegation to useless? Nah, just not useful to the person buying another choice.

jeffe

Something about moderation that always seems to be the best solution. That is called a 40 caliber...

There is a place for the big 50s in the scheme of things and that is for elephant hunting.

If I hunted elephants often then I would opt for a big 50 caliber, because the day would come when I might appreciate its power...

quote:

Just consider this another "Sexual Destiny" thread.

I am waitin for someone to fire up a "Sensual Dentistry" thread. Gotta be some good photos of naughty dental hygenists floatin' around out there.



Cheers,
Canuck

I have been hammering big bores for 25 years and still get a kick out of shooting them. I don't need a drool bucket yet. As stated earlier, need aint got nuttin to do with it. Good thread though, it did generate lots of discussion and fun too.

In no particular order:

one of my neighbors is an instructor at the POST (Police Officers Standard Training) Academy. He's got a class taking radar training. Our district Captain and he and I are goose hunting buddies, and he just got a new Corvette Z06. I am asked if I would like to see how fast my ZX-12R is. FYI, it's a Kawasaki "bullet bike". It and the Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 are the ferraris of the two-wheeled kingdom. I meet the class out on this beautifully maintained fifteen mile road that goes to a toxic waste storage facility. These boys all got new Dodge Chargers. I would suggest NOT trying to outrun one, unless you are armed like RGB. They clock, tapped out, at 157-160. The Cap and I have this spirited discussion as to how much faster his toy is than mine...heated discussion..."...I got lunch for everybody that says my 'vette is faster..."...You are ON, and I will spot you five miles an hour on the 12R..."...pistols for two and coffee for one...

We set four cones out, one then another a quarter mile up, a third one mile from it, and the last one a quarter mile from it. Ease up to first cone, ease thru the gears to the second one, and then hammer it for a mile. Cars are at the end. Road runs North and South, two way average. The 'vette runs 171 into the wind, and 174 with the tailwind. Cap is jammin'. I run the bike easy thru the gears, hit cone two and whoooshh! We compressing time and space again. 179.6 mph into the wind, and 182.3 mph sailing back downwind. Lunch was very good that day.

This is the second fastest streetbike I have ever owned. #1 was a Donnie Vesco turbo-charged Honda Interceptor RR. 196mph two way average, but at Bonneville in 1988.

About the big bores RIP, the feeling of controlling all that power...sensual in a way. When the guys were here last weekend, they all eased up on the 505 Gibbs. Then they shot it, turned around, looked at the rest of us and said "...Wow!...". Then they shot it again.

I just like fast toys, like my Dodge 4-door longbox Cummins turbodiesel P/U. The ultimate leadsled for us old(er) guys. I think RGB is the same way, and a lot of others here are too. Work hard, pay your bills, buy Mamma a new house every ten years, and spend some $$$ rewarding yourself for going to work every day and NOT killing your boss or any obnoxious co-workers.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

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and spend some $$$ rewarding yourself for going to work every day and NOT killing your boss or any obnoxious co-workers.

Canuck

Why post such a question on the Big Bore forum?
Obviously just stirrin' the pot. Things seemed a little slow around here.
MJines puzzlement over the .395 caliber:
Hey, what's old is new again.
Everything else big and small is getting kind of boring. The old .395 from the 1880's needed dusting off with some new technology.

The "new .395" started as a lark, just to be different, and was found to have been the "old .395" deadend Martini BP and Nitro-For-BP caliber that got passed by.

It's back, and we did it here at Accuratereloading.com.

The .395 will do great things with its fledgling bullet supply, from hardcast-gaschecked-lead LFN (mould by LBT), to S&H and GSC precisioneering in brass and copper.

We start with 410-grains at 2150 fps in the 400/.395 Nitro Express Aboriginal and proceed to 310, 330 and 340-grain FN's, HV, SP, and a SHark Brass BTHP at up to 3000 fps in the .395 TATANKA

And the other three cartridges in between those two ... great fun for the jaded shooter desiring something different.

And they won't make you go blind!

You ever seen the vids of my bowling pin mortar? 4oz of 1FG will put a bowling pin into low earth orbit. Light the fuse and stand back. Accurate as hell too! Hang time in the air from ignition to landing can be in excess of 30 seconds. Its only moving 300 fps or so and is highly visable. Make one you'll love it. Till then, you will only know bore envy!-Rob

Let's not get too started on usefulness and need -- I, and probably a fair amount of the members on this forum -- aren't particularly useful for much of anything... That's the great thing about capitalist societies -- you're free to do all the trivial and useless things you want, provided you can make a living from it.

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
You ever seen the vids of my bowling pin mortar? 4oz of 1FG will put a bowling pin into low earth orbit ... -Rob

Rob,
Where do we see these vids?
What are the BATFE regs on such mortars?
What does it take to own your own mortar?
Ought to be one in every home.

Aglifter: Hobby losses are deductible only to the extent of hobby gains.

Here's an interesting mortar article:

Coehorn Mortar Hunting

RGB, I have a video of your next toy; you simply must build this!


AND i have the appropriate reamer in our "reamer library'!!

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
In no particular order:

one of my neighbors is an instructor at the POST (Police Officers Standard Training) Academy. He's got a class taking radar training. Our district Captain and he and I are goose hunting buddies, and he just got a new Corvette Z06. I am asked if I would like to see how fast my ZX-12R is. FYI, it's a Kawasaki "bullet bike". It and the Suzuki Hayabusa 1300 are the ferraris of the two-wheeled kingdom. I meet the class out on this beautifully maintained fifteen mile road that goes to a toxic waste storage facility. These boys all got new Dodge Chargers. I would suggest NOT trying to outrun one, unless you are armed like RGB. They clock, tapped out, at 157-160. The Cap and I have this spirited discussion as to how much faster his toy is than mine...heated discussion..."...I got lunch for everybody that says my 'vette is faster..."...You are ON, and I will spot you five miles an hour on the 12R..."...pistols for two and coffee for one...

We set four cones out, one then another a quarter mile up, a third one mile from it, and the last one a quarter mile from it. Ease up to first cone, ease thru the gears to the second one, and then hammer it for a mile. Cars are at the end. Road runs North and South, two way average. The 'vette runs 171 into the wind, and 174 with the tailwind. Cap is jammin'. I run the bike easy thru the gears, hit cone two and whoooshh! We compressing time and space again. 179.6 mph into the wind, and 182.3 mph sailing back downwind. Lunch was very good that day.

This is the second fastest streetbike I have ever owned. #1 was a Donnie Vesco turbo-charged Honda Interceptor RR. 196mph two way average, but at Bonneville in 1988.

About the big bores RIP, the feeling of controlling all that power...sensual in a way. When the guys were here last weekend, they all eased up on the 505 Gibbs. Then they shot it, turned around, looked at the rest of us and said "...Wow!...". Then they shot it again.

I just like fast toys, like my Dodge 4-door longbox Cummins turbodiesel P/U. The ultimate leadsled for us old(er) guys. I think RGB is the same way, and a lot of others here are too. Work hard, pay your bills, buy Mamma a new house every ten years, and spend some $$$ rewarding yourself for going to work every day and NOT killing your boss or any obnoxious co-workers.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Rich,

Thanks for the explaination, much different conditions than I envisioned. No offense intended, please accept my apology.

Jeff

no problem Jeff, I knew you were just hammering me a little...if that was on a public road I'd still be in jail.
We went to the Albuquerque Balloon Festival this October and came back thru Winslow, took a picture of me "...standin' on the corner...". Then up to the South Entrance to the park. You are right about the Canyon.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Jorge, Bosom Buddy to Morganna,
What is your call sign? "Kissing Bandit?"
I sure hope that pic does not get censored.
I knew this thread would eventually produce something worthwhile.

Guess it did and I apologize. My callsign's "General." jorge

Black powder Mortars are basically completely legal everywhere as far as I know. The bowling ball versions are pretty common and can be easily made with a welding torch and some basic skills. I made mine from a old oxygen cylinder and a german mortar bipod. I am told there is an oxygen cylinder that is perfectly sized for a bowling ball. I'm still looking for that one and had to settle for a Bowling pin (6 incher) Cut off the base on a band saw and d&T for a
fuse. Use 4-5 oz of 1Fg and you will be a big gun. No kidding its hysterically funny stuff. You literally can put a Bowling ball in low earth orbit( OK not exactly but close enough)-Rob

Rob, do you shoot those bowling pins as "spitzers" or "boat tails"?

Keith

Hog killer- they are fired as boat tails!
FWIW- Fastest thing on 4 wheels I've ever been in is my 1996 pontiac trans-am/ Jerry Bickel built Pro stock car. No its not a joke or a lie. 2500lbs and 1650 HP on race gas with a 632 Eagle Racing motor. I ran three sub 7.0's to get my license at over 210MPH at the LAS Vegas drag strip. Shes in the garage right now. No drama , no excuses, just hook and go. There is a reason it needs two chutes and they had better work. Pro built chasis thats nearly a work of art. Nearly crapped my pants in it when they didn't deploy properly! I'm old school,no tubos, No2 etc just good old displacement and carburation. It will launch so hard if your not wearning a neck brace you will need a orthopod the next day! It goes straight as an arrow and you have never lived till you feel it shift into second at 7100rpm.
Fastest bike was a Suzuki pro stocker. She would launch like a demon and didn't want to go straight. About as fast as the car. Real nasty!
Its nice to live 12 miles from the track. I've spent 40 years drag racing and they will probably eventually hose me out of a car. My wife says I've got gunpowder and racing fuel in my veins. Guns/ Cars and Bikes forever! When I'm too old to drive I'll crew for the next gen. Not there just yet.
Fastest street car is a 2005 supercharged Viper. It makes 657 hp at the rear wheels on a dyno. It ran a 10.3 at 141 at Sacramento on DR's. Tough car to launch! I ran at 150 shot of No2 in it for awhile and had fun killing stock brokers in Porshe's, a Ferrari F430 and a Lambo Murceilago with it. UNTOLD NUMBERS OF MUSTANGS WERE ANNILIATED AS WERE the Ricer elite in those Bullshit Supras! ThatViper will spin its tires at 100mph on demand. San Fran has lots of fast very expensive cars driven by morons who can't drive and are too stupid to tell the signs of a a real street predator car. look for the boost guage on the A pillar, if you see one, back down or bring your A game! You won't get a second chance!
In the end racing on the street is pure stupidity. You don't know the abilities of the other guy and he can get you killed, not to mention the congested roads. The strip is really where its at and the stock brokers rarely play there. I love them on track days, ( gee Rob I don't know why my Porshe just spun out). Oh god its fun when you can embarass them into showing up though at the strip. Hey I don't get why your viper just killed my $200,000 GT3? BTW, I don't screw around on the street anymore, too dangerous. In the end its all about the cars and Bikes and its a blast.-Rob

I think I could have a lot of fun with a German 88. I built a model of one when I was a kid. It was the one with the four legs that laid flat on the ground with a turret. That's a 1.5 pound projectile at 3770 fps, talk about a giant 22-250, it's a big varmint rifle! and the varmints are tanks and such! If I had nothing else to do I think it would be a blast to built a 1/8 or 1/4 scale fully functioning German 88 like the one above, but the question has always been what caliber to make it. 22-250? 30-06? 505 Gibbs? something that will rock around a bit on recoil. Would that be fun or what? Show up at the range and have this 88 in pieces that you can put together in a few minutes. Imagine, you pull slide to open the breech and slip in a 408 chey tach improved and proceed to disintegrate water melons and pumkins at 1000 meters. That would be so cool. Make the thing in full detail.
408 would be a good caliber for something like that. What a toy it would be!
Timan

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Originally posted by Timan:
I think I could have a lot of fun with a German 88. I built a model of one when I was a kid. It was the one with the four legs that laid flat on the ground with a turret. That's a 1.5 pound projectile at 3770 fps, talk about a giant 22-250, it's a big varmint rifle! and the varmints are tanks and such! If I had nothing else to do I think it would be a blast to built a 1/8 or 1/4 scale fully functioning German 88 like the one above, but the question has always been what caliber to make it. 22-250? 30-06? 505 Gibbs? something that will rock around a bit on recoil. Would that be fun or what? Show up at the range and have this 88 in pieces that you can put together in a few minutes. Imagine, you pull slide to open the breech and slip in a 408 chey tach improved and proceed to disintegrate water melons and pumkins at 1000 meters. That would be so cool. Make the thing in full detail.
408 would be a good caliber for something like that. What a toy it would be!
Timan

I've got a modeling magazine someplace where a fellow made a fully functioning model of a type 88 75mm Nip AA gun with platform and all in 7.7x58mm. If I can find it I'll post a scan of the pic. All in stainless too, bright shiny cool toy.

Imagine a tiny version of this in gleaming stainless steel. Workmanship like a swiss watch too.

Why? Because the bigger the bullet, the bigger the hole it makes in the target. Simple.

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Imagine a tiny version of this in gleaming stainless steel. Workmanship like a swiss watch too.

Tom' there are several of the Type88/75mm, japs at the Nimitz mueseum in Fredericksburg, Texas. The are/were in a rear area. They are full of .50 cal holes, got straffed.

Keith

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I think I could have a lot of fun with a German 88. I built a model of one when I was a kid. It was the one with the four legs that laid flat on the ground with a turret. That's a 1.5 pound projectile at 3770 fps,

Timan, that should read 15 pounds. Are you referring to the Flak 18? The Germans had several different 88m/m guns. AA/AT(Flak 18, 36), naval guns(also found on U-boats), and tank guns. Remember 88 m/m is just a bore size not a particular weapon. As for a scale model chambering, I would go for 50BMG. Then you can play with tracers, APs, Incendiaries, APIs, and the match type long range A-Max, etc. Will also give you enough recoil impluse to move the recoil system.

Keith

Keith

Hey, hey, hey!
Lots of neato stuff on this thread now, even without Morganna's love note to "General."

Walter, Saeed, Roy, and Alan: Safari Elf Yourself

OK! I'll play!

quote:

Originally posted by Canuck:

quote:

Just consider this another "Sexual Destiny" thread.

I am waitin for someone to fire up a "Sensual Dentistry" thread. Gotta be some good photos of naughty dental hygenists floatin' around out there.




Cheers,
Canuck

You shoudl see the dental hygeists and dental assistants in Whistler....I get all excited going to the dentist...

I finally get it:
Exceed 100 ft-lbs and 25 fps recoil regularly enough to ensure fillings are knocked loose and require periodic prepping for repair by a sensual dental hygienist.

Gatehouse, from what I've seen, Canadians don't go to the dentist.

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Originally posted by Bitterroot:
Gatehouse, from what I've seen, Canadians don't go to the dentist.

Nah!! That's the Brits. We're blessed with lots & lots of dental clinics.

Rip,
It took you an awful long time to figure that out, you just dumb er wot?

Ray,
What do you have if you get 32 Kentucky Democrats together in a conference room?

Answer: A Full set of teeth and a think tank for newly elected Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear.

Your Republican friend,
Rip

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:

quote:

Imagine a tiny version of this in gleaming stainless steel. Workmanship like a swiss watch too.

Tom' there are several of the Type88/75mm, japs at the Nimitz mueseum in Fredericksburg, Texas. The are/were in a rear area. They are full of .50 cal holes, got straffed.Keith

Yup, and the midget sub exhibit in the George Bush Gallery is way cool too. I've been going there at least once a year since I moved to Texas but the midget Nip AA gun that the fellow modeled that actually works is pretty cool looking. Useless yet very neat.

Why bar hop or car hop when you can island hop???

Here's my favorite rifle, EVER.

This 105mm was devastating on meadow lions at Hunter Liget. If the darn government didn't ban it, I'd like one for my ATV. Do I need it? NO, but, it would be perfect for African trips hunting what I'd rather hunt in Africa: Poachers. I once calculated the recoil of a 37 pound projectile, at 2700 fps. My conclusion was the 'stock' this rifle came with was proper for the recoil involved, if a might heavy.