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I currently have a pre 64 Model 70 in 375 WBY that I would like to rebarrel into a larger caliber. It already was modified for the WBY. Which caliber would be the easiest to convert it to? 404J, 416 Rig or Rem, 458 wm or? | ||
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416 Remington should be a cakewalk. "There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex." | |||
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416 rem, 458 wm, and 404J would all be doable, 416 rigby probably not. 458 would be the most practical from an ammo standpoing, then the 416 rem. John | |||
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be a man, go for the 458 Lott. One caliber for one world DG. Rich DRSS | |||
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To rebarrel a Pre-64 .375 Wby to anything other than another .375 Wby: Bad karma, and the ghost of Big Nan will haunt you! | |||
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I,m with RIP on that , don,t know about the Karma part , but the 375 Whby is one of the worlds best rounds ... .... Unless the barrel is shot out , which in a 375 isn,t awfully likley .... Ganyana had 2 really great articles in Rifle magazine last winter .. Actually helped me in my decision to get a 375 Ruger . As did 458 Win's article on the 375 Ruger ...... The Whby has a little more zip than the Ruger .. But I can,t get a Whby in a Ruger Alaskan ........ If you want a big bore , get a Ruger , or a CZ in the Rigby round or the Lott .... . . . It,s pretty hard to beat a 375 .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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WOW...+1 for the bad Karma! If it ain't brkoe - Don't fix it! ________ Ray | |||
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I would like to buy the 375 Wby barrel when you take it off. How is it marked? PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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375 WBY is a fantistic round. Leave it as is.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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OK guys, what specifically do I gain by leaving it as a 375 WBY as opposed to moving up in caliber? I get more velocity, but it comes with added recoil. If I'm going to put up with more recoil wouldn't I be better off with a larger and heavier bullet? I can see that I would pick up added range with the 375 WBY, but isn't the 375 H&H, which I allready have, good out to 300 yds for plainsgame? For dangerous game, at ranges of 100 yds or less, probably much less, do you really think that the added velocity makes any real world difference? Wouldn't a larger caliber be better for dangerous game? The guns was my brother's. He took it to Botswana multiple times. His guide there, Clive Eaton, hated it because it recoiled so viciously, consquently he used to steal David's 375 WBY ammo so that he had to load it with 375 H&H fodder. I would leave it as is for sentimental reasons, but it doesn't fit me well and needs to be restocked so that I can use it. If I'm getting it restocked, it occured to me that I might as well convert it to a larger caliber as I already have a 375 H&H that I trust implicitly. I am really up in the air about this, I would like to take it back to Africa for sentimental reasons, but am not sold on the value of a faster 375. I'm open to all opinions. | |||
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The trajectory is the same as a 30-06. If you restock it in a McMillan Sako Hunter style with the "416 Fill", the recoil will become much more manageable. It feels the same to me as my 416s. Reload it with a moderate load of 4350 and a Federal primer. FWIW. JC/LD  | |||
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. The added velocity does help ... Tho this is a battle here .. The 375 Whby will push a 270 gr bullet @ 2900 fps ...... Thats Smokin! Any 375 H&H that comes my way will become one .. I have had a #1 that I got reamed , having it reamed to the WHBY round , But it was better as the Weatherby than it was as an H&H ... Now that Federal no longer offers the H&H High Energy ammo loaded with the 300 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw sp ..Which chronographed out of my 24" Montana barrel @ 2700 fps . I will need to make it a Whby to get that velocity ..... . . I 2nd the McMillan A5 Hunter glass stock , they are great . . . IMO why have an H&H when you can have the Whby . .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Terry R, I cannot figure out why the PH would want to steal your brother's .375 WBY ammo due to the recoil, what's with that? The PH was not shooting your brother's rifle. Your brother was shooting the .375 WBY. This implies that the PH thought that your brother could not handle the recoil, so the PH was protecting everyone from your brother's bad shooting? Surely not! Bro' took that rifle on safari many times. He must have had good results with it, recoil and all. He was a good shot with that rifle, eh? Furthermore, you point out the versatility of the .375 WBY being a good killer with ordinary .375 H&H ammo, if the PH was trying to sneak that fodder into the rifle, for safety reasons?  I think someone was pulling your leg with that stolen .375 WBY ammo story. If the PH was substituting .375 H&H ammo in your brother's rifle, it must surely mean that the PH was collecting his tip ahead of time, so he could use the vastly superior ammo in his own rifle, or sell it for a profit! Most PHs ain't stupid, nor dishonest, so you got me puzzled. . | |||
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I did it. Went to 416 Remington. The 416 was more comfortable to shoot but not as flexible. Eventually I sold the barreled action to another poster. Now I want both of them again. So the moral of the story is restock the 375 WBY and start building a new 416  "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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PM Sent. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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if you are going to run with the big dogs, then get OFF the porch .. either 458 lott or 470 captick. want a real wildcat? to a 450 ackley opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I would leave it alone. The .375 Wby is one of the best all around calibers. Ammo is available almost anywhere, especially Africa, since it shoots .375 H&H well. The extra velocity does make a difference, force equals mass X velocity squared. Mass is a factor but velocity is a bigger facter. You do gain sectional density with a larger diameter bullet and that definitly helps wound channel and all that, but slows down rapidly in flight detracting from long range use. It's always a trade off. If you have someone rebarrel the gun you will have spent close to $500 and still only have one gun that the stock doesn't fit. A good stock from H-S Precision or Mc Millan will get rid of much of the recoil pain for round $300-$350. Now you can start the search for best .4XX rifle. The selection process is almost as much fun as the capture. I have a CZ 550 .458 Lott I would part with, just to get the ball rolling. SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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RIP I got the story direct from Clive and it was confirmed by my PH Glen Munger. The reason that Clive hid his ammo was that the rifle wears a very slim, light stock that exacerbates the felt recoil. My Brother did take it multiple times and it became somewhat notorious among the PH's that guided for Mark Kyriacou, in fact when I went on my first hunt the first question asked was " what rifle did you bring?" Upon hearing 375, the rapid follow up was "Not David's I Hope". Clive and David became good friends by then so Clive could operate with the immunity of friendship. I don't think he was too worried about a tip. I know that restocking it will help, and since I have no trouble shooting a 404, I doubt that the restocked 375 WBY would be a problem. I'm just not sure which niche that it would fit. | |||
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Still makes no sense. Just goofy. I guess the PH was just a comedian of limited repertoire. And brother never checked his ammo before pulling the trigger? And his reaction upon pulling the trigger on standard .375 H&H? "That was a dud." Could be distracting. Bad PH.  | |||
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No David knew, Clive hid the wby ammo and gave David H&H ammo, telling him that the gun recoiled too much with the Wby stuff. It has been my experience, however limited, that PHs in general are not overly fond of weatherbys. | |||
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Terry, I have several rifles in .416 and .458 the I would love to trade you for that .375 Wby. I even have a pre 64 Mod 70 in .458 Win Mag I would be willing to trade for it. I love the gun but would love the .375 Wby more. Tom SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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You guys who love the 375 wby have convinced me. I'm going to have it restocked and God willin it will be with me in Africa in 2011. | |||
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Re-stocking can make all the difference. Last evening I was shooting a 9.25 pound 375 Wby (300's @2750) and a 10 pound 404 Jeff (400's @2400) and the Weatherby kicked noticeably less. The difference was that the Weatherby is in an altered McMillan that fits me and the Jeff is in a factory Safari Classic stock. Now if that PH will just keep his crab scratchers off your ammo...  | |||
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I have a 375 Wea (Mod 70); a 416 Rem Mod 70; a 458 Lott CZ and a 470 88B Heym. I can tell you that each one is a step up in recoil. My 416 recoils heavier than my 375 wea. I really like the flexability of that 375 wea. Mine started off as a stainless Mod 70 375 H&H. actually chrono's (Oehler 35) at 2800 FPS and change with factory Weatherby 300 gr Noslers out of a 24" barrel. Very accurate! EZ | |||
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. When the bullet weight goes up , so does the recoil .... My little niche , is larger diameter for standardized weights and velocities .. . If a 300 gr. bullet @ 2900 fps is desired I use 86 gr H 4895 and a moly tumbled 300 gr X or TSX from the 416 Rem instead of 110 gr of slow powder from the 378 Whby ... I loose some trajectory . But gain cross section area for those real close shots .. Sure does make Huge holes THRU stuff ........... . . But most guys want Heavy bullets , Stock breakers and collar bone bruisers  . However for general usefullness I don,t think a fast 375 can be beat ,for all around and the avg. run of hunters ..... Basically the 375 Whby gives the velocity of Saeed's 375/404 . And look at what he does with it .......I believe he said it is the only rifle he hunts Africa with ..... . I would like to find another Mark X in 375 H&H sitting in a hock shop or somewhere for a good price that comes home with me to be reamed to 375 Whby .. And I have and enjoy the 375 Ruger ... ., . . Make up a 458 AR or 470 AR for a big bore .....Pretty easy to do from a standard action ... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Weatherbys suck and some may soon be possessed by the spirit of Michael Jackson! Wait till you feel the new recoil! Its Bad Karma to have one in your gunsafe and worse Karma if people know you have one. Sneak it into a gun show( I'd have a enemy of mine actually carry it in) then sell at a loss and buy ANYTHINTG ELSE! Your Karma will thank you!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Weatherby's are the best! That's all I shoot (except for some oddballs). Best cartridges, best actions ... | |||
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A Pre-64 M70 Winchester in .375 Weatherby is "Michael Jackson spirit" infestation-proof, surely! I think the press coverage of the Michael Jackson funeral has pushed Rob over the edge. Get well soon, Rob. | |||
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Well, I have a confession to make. I own a Weatherby in 378. I could've passed, but instead, I bought it back from my brother. Sorry RIP & RGB. My Rigby is taking forever and this was the cheapest way for me to get back to big bores. | |||
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Stick with the Weatherby ... why would you want that old clunker Rigby ... ?? | |||
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Some of the early Weatherby cartridges were amazing, even if the rifle designs were gaudy. The earliest SouthGate ones were on FN Mauser actions I believe. I think the 257, 300 and 375 Weatherby cartridges are pretty awesome. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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A 378 or 460 on a trued & slicked MKV action is the LAST WORD in bolt actions. A Mauser action would be a few steps backwards ... | |||
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Yup- a Trued Wby action is one with more than 3 lugs that actually engage. A slicked one has two.I suggest you never do the DYECHEM test on a Trued and slicked wby action or you'll soon become a Rem 700 pushfeed fan. The stocks on wbys are right outa the "thriller" album. Watch out and dont tangle your "chains" under the recoil dude! You been possessed! Oh I forgot them early wbys on fn actions were really great for TWO shots then they set the receiver locking lugs back so far the bolts would not open with a hammer. Oh no. Michael is pissed now! -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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You're just jealous Rob ... I guess you're telling us this after doing all the machine work yourself ... ??  | |||
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NO Machine work on a WBY for me. I true and slick em the old fashion way. with a file and a prayer. Now that they are possessd you NEEDS A EXORCIST!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I know where you could get yours TiN coated for "extra protection" ... | |||
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All my clients demand TiN coating on their wbys along with my std open sight re-location pkg so that they can be shot HOME BOY style right out the winda of a civic. I also offer Nightforce scopes mounted at right angles in .378 and .460WBY. Truing and slicking are options I offer only to the most discerning of those clients( those with IQ's above 35 that is..-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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With the MkV the best way to lap the lugs is with high proof loads, eventually they will all engage. I would agree with anyone who would state that the MkV action isn't the best for benchresting, but they feed nice, are robust, and extract and eject as one would expect. I have no problem with any MkV. John | |||
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