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I've been curious about any updates on Remington's double rifle and big-bore mauser imports. I noticed that the SPR-22 was dumped from their 2007 product line and I also noticed that the 375H&H 798 is now listed to be available in stainless steel. I've neither seen a 798 in 375H&H or 458WM nor even heard of anyone ever seeing such animal. Like the SPR-22, they were listed as a Remington 2006 product but I do not think a single rifle ever existed. I'd normally just log into Remington's online tech/help program and ask them directly, but I noticed that they have now disabled this feature and you can now only read old previously asked questions. So, has anyone here ever seen an actual 798 big-bore? Does anyone here have any inside info on the status of the 798 big-bore or the SPR-22?? Thanks, GVA | ||
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Zastava offered stainless steel actions in its rifle lines in the past (big bores as well as small- and medium bores); now, whether Remington can bring them to the U.S. market is uncertain. George | |||
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Remington has displayed total and complete incompetence in bringing either of these products to market.......and Zastava has to be fuming as their sales in the USA has gone to nothing. As much as I detest Charles Daly, they did, in fact, market and sell the Zastava rifles. Further they were of far higher quality than what I've seen from Remington. It's blatently obvious that there's extreme problems internal to Remington as their incompetence shows at every turn. I'd bet that zastava will dump Remington for incompetence and find a new importer.....I know Brownell wanted to be the importer of their actions.....maybe that will happen this time....it's not at all clear if Daly would consider another run with Zastava as there was some sour grapes from them as the transition to Remington was announced. Zastava isn't a bad product.....at least some I've seen are actually quite good and a real value for the money....there is a market for them.....but not at all with the Remington stamp on them!!!!! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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what Vapodog sasys!!!!! They have reverse engineered this whole fiasco...from a silk purse to a sow's ear...in 90 days. Rich | |||
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Zastava rifles are highly underrated. I bought a new Charles Daly zastava mauser (matte blue/plastic stock) 30-06 for $260 right after they announced that remington was taking over the importation of them. My intention was to use this cheap rifle as a loaner beater for visitors needing a rifle for a hunt. I didn't pull it out of the box until about three weeks ago. I mounted a leupold 6x42 on it, adjusted the trigger to about 3# (no creep), and loaded up some 150 gr ballistic tips I had lying around. I've run about 15 rounds through it and the largest group it's shot is just over 1". I was so impressed with it that I took it hunting and killed three deer in three days, with three shots. This little rifle is nice and trim, carries nice, the plastic stock even fits me pretty well. It feeds great, has a nice trigger (after adjustment) and shoots right at 1" groups. Not bad for $260. It's got me leaving my M70's at home for the time being. Another benefit is that I don't mind if I ding it up, I bought it for a beater. I don't know what remington will do to goon it up, but there's nothing wrong with Zastava's basic product. They get beat up pretty badly on these boards by the purists, but from what I've seen they make a pretty good rifle. | |||
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Boltman, I agree with your post....Zastava is not at all poor product.....however...have you seen one with the Remington name on it?..... If it's anything like the one I've seen.....(and others here) I have no doubt that you'll say.....I can't believe they can actually sell that!......it's horrible! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I think if I were to plan the marketing for the Zastava action I would offer: 1. Plain actions 2. An "American" version rifle with walnut or syn. stock 3. An "African" version rifle which would look much like the old Whitworth offering. I would also see if I couldn't get Zasatva to put the floorplate release back in the trigger guard bow where it belongs. I would also take the mini action and chamber rifles in .204 Ruger and .223 Remington. These rifles would be in a varmint configuration with heavy barrels and laminate stocks. I think a person could keep the price of these rifles around $500 with a stock upgrade for $100. I am going to book mark this thread that way if someone takes my marketing idea I can sue for intellectual property theft. | |||
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Vapodog, I haven't seen the remington version. I've no doubt that remington could f**k up an anvil. I'm sure everyone here is telling the truth about how bad they are. At the prices I've seen quoted for the 798 I know I won't be interested. I've got a charles daly action that I bought at the same time as the 30-06 mentioned above. I'm still trying to think up a project for it. When I get it barreled I'll probably have the "charles daly by zastava" banner on the side milled off. | |||
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Did you see my earlier thread about the Remington rep saying that the SPR-22 wasn't coming in because of lack of interest? Also, the first thing Rem did when deciding to sell Zastava rifles was discontinue the lefties. I really wanted one of the mini-mausers to make into a light .250 Savage! .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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A couple comments.....on the mini mausers.....I own two and can assure you that you're not going to be happy with a 250 Savage in the mini....it's simply not large enough for that round.....and others will disagree but I'm holding my ground on this one! It's a bad isea. Now.....I find it actually insulting for Remington to say they dropped the double rifle in 45-70 and 30-06 bcause of lack of interest....This is total bullshit!!!! There are a few possible reasons and we can enumerate a bit....and I'm guessing here: 1. safety concerns.....Remington engineers warned of safety issues with these guns and they was unable to resolve same\ 2. pricing changes.....Remington had price increases to them in such magnitude that they decided the market wouldn't bear the final price. 3. Quality issues.....hardly as they put the M-798 out!!!...but this is the same as safety issues. 4. other...possible personality clashes between Remington execs and Baikal resulting in a "cut and run" However to say the interest of the customer wasn't there is just laughable.....who do they think we are to buy this stuff? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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An inexpensive double rifle in 45/70 would have made a nice Blue Ridge Mountain Laurel thicket pig gun. I certainly would have showed interest if they would have put them on the shelf to be handled. | |||
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Funny enough, the remmington folks EXACTLY the opposite.. the REPETED statement, over the last 2 years, is that they have NEVER had a rifle generate this amount of interest. lst time I talked to them they had moved the date out to end of 1Q7 vapo. the sole reason "cats" got a baikal this time last year and we dont have remmies is safety. pricing change... that I wouldn't be in teh least surprised for.. the sp210 (12ga) is nearly 400, instead of 250, from 3 years ago. quality -- role that back up to safety... the action won't win any beauty contests... but, even if DOUBLE in price, I am still in jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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So am I correct in saying that none of you have ever seen an actual Remington 798 in either 375H&H or 458WM? Am I also correct in saying that no one on this board has any inside info on whether or not any Remington 798 375H&H or 458WM will ever be imported into the US for sale to the public? As for the SPR-22, it is my understanding now that it is DOA, correct? Thanks, GVA | |||
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spr22 -- not doa http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_r...SPR_models/SPR22.asp though the list price is now 734, about a 50% uptick from previously... and nearly double the baikal price http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/MSRP/ http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_r...dels/SPR22_specs.asp opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I know of noone that has reported seeing one in the DG calibers and I suspect it's purely a guess if we ever will. | |||
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Jeff, what you are showing is from the 2006 product line. Look at their 2007 listing, the SPR-22 is no longer included. The entire line of side by side double rifles are gone. GVA | |||
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http://www.remington.com/products/2007_new_products/ You can download the entire 2007 Product Catalog w/ details and specs on all the 2007 Remington rifles. Unless I am just missing it, the Spartan line is there but the line of SPR-22 side-by-side rifles have been dumped. It may be all moot, as the line of 798 DG rifles have been expanded to include stainless steel options on rifles that may never exist. GVA | |||
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Gary, you may be right.. but I am being stubborn and hoping for a cheap double. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Hello, Several months ago, close to a year and a half now, I was having lots of problems with a new Rem. 504 rifle and speaking with the Rem. folks in NC on a regular basis and did inquire as to the status of the double barrel 45/70's, etc. and was told by someone who seemed to be in charge, (at least they solved my 504 problem once contacted,) that the mfg. Bakail(??) via European distributor had shipped some to Canada under some name other than Remington and none, emphatically none w/ the Rem. name had been shipped to anyone in America and probably not be unless quality problems solved and risk of libility due to failures were eliminated. On this site some Canadians reported as owning these doubles in '06 and also having difficulties with those rifles due to either blow by, extremely hard to open after shooting, etc. In short, the guns are not at a quality/safety level that the Rem. lawyers would feel comfortable defending in court. Bottom line. | |||
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driver, That makes sense. As far as the side-by-side rifle goes, I do not believe it ever had a good track record, but, I had my fingers crossed that it would eventually get squared away and be deemed Remington lawyer safe. On the other hand, the Zastava mauser may have had minor trigger and safety issues in the past but overall they had at one time a fairly good track record. I was confident that whatever issues Remington may have had w/ this rifle could easily be corrected by now. I guess it is good that the 798 is in their 2007 line-up showing some minor changes in specs, but, I'd sure like to at least see an actual product in the hand to evaluate (reference the DG calibers). Remington may be having problems of their own above and beyond any QC issues w/ these two imports. I do not think it would be in any of our interests if they go belly up, hopefully it is not that bad but it doesn't look like all is going well in the green camp. GVA | |||
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I held a Model 798 chambered in .375H&H today at the SHOT Show. Even I [a non lover of Remington anything] must admit that it is not bad! It was finish in a flat texture that I did not find pleasing but the Zastava action seemed fine [ But for the Rem name plastered on the side.] The smaller caliber item I held was nicely blued finish, same slimmer stock, and actually fairly attractive. As were the 799 small calibers. My complaint last year was the aweful laminated stock that the had on it. This has been replaced this year by a slimmer/trimmer laminate produced by the maker of the upgrade stocks for their other guns. This new stock is still laminate and the Rem tech. guy there said he knows of no plans to add a walnut stock [though I suspect that the upgrade stock maker will offer an after market walnut stock soon!] The same tech guy said that have shipped "a lot" of 798's but I did not specify "big bore". The pricing was, I believe. about $900 for the .375 and $1,000 for the .458 [unseen]. I think around $800 for the other magnum calibers and $700 for the Non- magnums. These are MSRP's so they will surely be discounted in shops. I know I should have paid closer attention but this is all I have for now. Les | |||
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CDNN still has the .375 and .458 Daly's in their catalogue... They are not set up the way I want but if still available they are not too expensive. How were the sights on the big bores? ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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yeah... so I just got off the phone with remmie... spr-22 proabably aint making into country in 2007. SUCKS jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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jeffe, must be a result of that "...very low demand..." the remington press spokesman talked about, live on the NRA feed at the SHOT Show, huh? Rich DRSS | |||
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