Has anyone noticed less flyers, when shooting groups, with one or the other? Norma brass for the lott, is very rare and expensive around here.I was wondering if it is worth the while.

I use Hornady brass for the Lott, seems good, I havn't had to chuck any but I only have 2-3 full power reloads on them. They List for $63.00 per 50 on Hornadys web site.

Hornady cases for .416 Rigby and .300 H&H have been good.

have a 450Marlin Hornady brass loaded 6-7 times no loses so far. a 330 cast at 2100fps have fun Clint

What I really want to know is if you got less FLYERS with one than the other.

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What I really want to know is if you got less FLYERS with one than the other.

no

Haven't shot any Norma/Lott brass but my CZ is a drill so far with Hornady. Fliers shouldn't be brass related after fireforming as long as case to case weights are good.

I have had really poor groups with one type of cases even though their weights were consistant and had been reloaded the same number of times.I then changed cases for another brand and got a crazy improvement.I had this happen with two different rifles with different cartridges.I could not figure out why.This issue has occupied my thought for quite some time.The only explaination I can come up with is in the way those particular cases fit into my chamber or the way they expand when fired.I suspect I am getting fliers because of my cases but I have not proven it.

Unless they were grossly inconsistent I doubt cases would make that much a difference to a .458Lott! What size groups are you getting with each? It sounds like you are refering to a 6XC bench rifle in the post.

The experience I spoke of in my last post was not with my Lott but 300wm and a 300RUM.Both my Lotts can shoot 4 within a couple of inches at 100yds and throw a couple 5 inches in either direction useing Hornady cases.I get no flyers when shooting my 458WM useing Winchester cases.

I'd say scope or bedding but if the Win brass works fine that's not it. Couldn't see cases makeing fliers go 5" out of the group. At this point I'd say go with the Win. and be happy.

I would if Winchester made cases for the Lott.

The norma brass is excellent quality and lot to lot consistency is better than any mfg I have seen, but it costs. The Hornady brass I have dealt with is good quality, consistency is good, case necks are annealed, and packaged so they aren't dinged during shipping (much like Norma or Wby brass). I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either.

John

let's make certain we understand the audience here.,,,

this chucklehead shoots 12" patterns at 100 yards, and at 20" shift to one side .. and he thinks changing brass, in his so-over-pressure-that-he-can't-reload-twice-loads, is going to improve his accuracy whilist shooting scoped, but with only one ring on, and wearing a skidoo helmut...

yeah, flinchie, you could use 5 different brass makes in your patterning, and it wouldn't make them any worse.

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let's make certain we understand the audience here.,,,

this chucklehead shoots 12" patterns at 100 yards, and at 20" shift to one side .. and he thinks changing brass, in his so-over-pressure-that-he-can't-reload-twice-loads, is going to improve his accuracy whilist shooting scoped, but with only one ring on, and wearing a skidoo helmut...

yeah, flinchie, you could use 5 different brass makes in your patterning, and it wouldn't make them any worse.

The group I shot today...four shots, 100yds, open sights,off the bench,458 lott.[URL= ]100yds[/URL] Hornady cases are not so bad after all.Flyers were caused by a moving leaf sight and/or new non fire-formed cases-two variables I changed simultaneously.This group was fired from a my second Ruger.It has about 70-100 rds down the barrel.The usual load of H4895 with Win primers and molly coated 500gr A-Frames.

that is good shooting, flinchie .. and utterly unlike your usual posting... so, which is it, you had been BSing about all your other groups and shooting style, hyper pressure loads, skidoo helmuts, and single ring shooting,,, where you shoot 2 FEET off to the other group..

Or, is this group to be questioned that you are the shooter?

either way, its a darn good group,

say, where was your point of aim vs impact?

we'll let him speak for himself .. though i expect flinchie will delete these pics

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-my Ruger bolt action lott,that is. [URL= ]100yds iron sights,off the bench[/URL] This was the third time this week that I got one in the center bullseye.I am spending time training my eyes how to shoot.When I shoot offhand,I got to aim about a foot to the left, at 100 yds, to hit the bullseye.But when shooting off the bench,I can aim almost dead on.

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Here is what happens when I aim for bullseye.The shots in the black where fired after I corrected my aim.[URL= ]100yds[/URL] I need only aim four inches to the left when shooting off the bench.This lead is only needed when shooting at a large black circle.The circle generally apppears twice,side by side,when I look at it through my sights.For some reason I don't have this issue when I am shooting at a large orange cirle,with a smaller white bullseye in the center.

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Thanks for posting the pics.Now I can explain without having to post them myself.The diagram above shows where I need to aim offhand if my rifle is zeroed to bullseye off the bench,namely to the left about 5 or six inches.I abandoned the idea of aiming to the left by adjusting my rifle to shoot 5 or 6 inches to the left off the bench.This way I hit bullsye when I am shooting offhand.So,the target I shot today is 5 inches to the left of center bullseye and a little low(point of aim is dead center or 3 inches higher and 5 inches to the right of POI).If I shot my rifle offhand instead of off the bench,I probably would've got a similar size group hust a couple of inches low of the bullseye.I did not attempt this today because there were just to many shooters adjusting their rifles for the hunting season.It is interesting to note that although the rifle's POI is low at 100yds,it is an inch high at 50yds and perfect at 25yds.This is the way I like it.[URL= ]50yds[/URL] [URL= ]25yds[/URL] You can also see that the 5 or 6 inch spread becomes a 2 inch spread at 25 yds off the bench.If I were to raise my rifle and shoot it offhand at 25,all my shots would easily be in the white circle.Useing open sights is much more complicated than I first thought,but it gets easier with practice.

Your heeling the rifle. Just before it goes off, your pushing forward causing your shots to go left and slightly down. At 50 yds your groups should be a tad high on a 100 yd sight.

Go back and forth between a heavy rifle and a light rifle until you can get the flinch under control.

John

Recently, Hornady has been more consistent in weight and concentricity than Norma in .416 Rigby.

Norma Brass the primer pockets open up after about 2 fireings.
I chose Hornady brass for my lott

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Norma Brass the primer pockets open up after about 2 fireings.
I chose Hornady brass for my lott

You might be running a bit hot with that load....

John

Also, Hornady has been much better than Norma with 375 H&H brass. More consistent in weight and concentricity. Much better price. I'm to committed to a safari now to convert to Hornady. I bought Hornady as a backup to Norma but the Hornady is the way I would go if I could do over. Next time. Norma has had no competition and now will be put to the test.

Thought I'd follow up on my last post by posting my latest target pics.I got a chance to fire offhand at 25 and 50 yds.The results were as I predicted and ended in or near the center when I shot offhand.I also got to fire a round again offhand at 200yds and was pleased that it was also centered on the target.I just held a little to high.[URL= ]25yds[/URL] [URL= ]50yds(Woodleighs shoot an inch to the right compared to A-frames in my rifle))[/URL] [URL= ]200yds[/URL] It just goes to show how low and far to the left an open sighted rifle shoots off the bench at 100yds and how perfect it shoots offhand at 25 and 50yds.