Once you've been amongst them there's no such thing as too much gun.....unless it's too heavy and has too much recoil.....try 90 Tons of just barrel!!!

Can you get that thing with a fluted barrel?

Where's the muzzle brake?

Does McMillan make stocks for it?

Red

Will it take Weaver mounts ?

put it in english and blue it!!!
jeffe

I'll take TWO, SxS, please. Also send first ship load of ammo, 50/50 mix, HE & AP, full charge powder load.

Hog Killer

hmmm... should I go with a barrel band front site?

Red

This is why God invented gun bearers.

Yup....as I thought....you guys truly are crazy!!!

You might need a mercury recoil reducer or two...

But will it stop a charging eleph...I mean...lawn lion?

It's got a nice sporty taper to it.

Man, that is PERFECT for the Boston Whaler I have in drydock.

Pirates BEWARE!

No good for Aussies.
Only 2300fps with the heavy bullet.Not enough hydrostatic shock on medium game.

Karl.

Karl,

The 16" dia. really helps with the shock value, not to mention the 18,900,000gr bullet weight of the heavy proj. (Yes that is the correct gr. weight)(Do the math 2700lbs X 7000gr.)

Hog killer

Anybody figured out the Taylor Knockdown Value on this thing?

For 16" caliber:

AP: 2700 lbs., 2300 fps,
TKO = 99,360,000
Sectional density = 10.549

HE: 1900 lbs., 2525 fps,
TKO = 76,760,000
SD = 7.422

This is like hurling very compacted Volkswagons 20 to 30 miles through the air.

For some of the folks here, it ain't enough gun.

Roger QSL

quote:

Originally posted by Roger:
For some of the folks here, it ain't enough gun.

Roger QSL

Only when chambered in a lever-action.

George

You can't use that on dangerous game-it's only a single shot!!

I think we'd make an allowance, in this case.

George

quote:

Originally posted by Roger:
For some of the folks here, it ain't enough gun.

Roger QSL

The only bigger ones are at the bottom of the Pacific...been there about 60 years.....18" guns of the Yamamoto IIRC.....airplanes with bombs took it out!!

quote:

Originally posted by Karl:
No good for Aussies.
Only 2300fps with the heavy bullet.Not enough hydrostatic shock on medium game.

Karl.

You'll have to go with the later 16"guns like on the U.S.S. Missouri then Karl.

702 lbs of powder with kernels the size of your thumb and 2250 lbs. of projectile should do it for you! Then the 2000lbs of TNT for the bullet's core should help you gain hydrostatic shock of sorts........

BigRx

Hmmmmmm....wonder if Ed Hubel has a reamer that will open that up to something useful?

Don't forget a flash suppressor!!!


BB-57, the USS South Dakota in action



-Bob F.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-s/bb57.htm
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57.htm

Edited to add:
The photos that vapodog posted (at the beginning of this thread) are of a gun from this battleship.

I prefer the Mk VII myself. It is the 16" 50 calibers variant. It will launch those 2700 AP rounds at 2650 fps and a range of 24 miles (instead of 2350 fps and 21 miles). The MkVII is practically identical in penetration performance to the mighty Japanese 18.1" guns.

The Japanese battleships Mushasi and Yamato were the only ships to carry the 18.1" guns. The Mushasi was sunk during the battle of Leyte Gulf by torpedoes and bombs. The Yamato was sunk at Okinawa.

With regard to stopping ele. You would stop him alright. Actually he would literally disappear. Most likely you wouldn't even find the tusks.

ASS_CLOWN

Funny that you should mention that . . .
Feller I knew back on active duty was not, and I emphasize not in North Vietnam because it was illegal on a LRP. He'd been watching the Ho Chi Minh trail for a week or so, counting the loads on bicycles when an elephant train suddenly appeared. You want to imagine how much in the way of munitions an elephant can carry? Not to mention the dismounted artillary pieces? Anyhow, he ran his radio wire up and desparately called out, "Can anyone hit these coordiates. I have a target!" After a few minutes this drawl came back over the radio, "Why shore we c'n hit thayut. One round for rangin' 'on the way'!" There was this enormous explosion beyond the trail so he called in a correction and the voice on the other end said, "O.K., we gotter now. Y'all get down!" "What?" responded the befuddled LRP guy. "Ah say-id, GET DOWN!!!" Just as my buddy was taking cover, the entire jungle along the trail went up in the air and came down in bits. Nothing left, not even elephant s***. He'd called in the Iowa!

Damn, Bob F., but you have got the pics!

What a barrage!

Ahhhhh . . . if only we had Osama bin Hidin's coordinates!

I have always been a big fan of the Battleship. If I was President they would all be back in service.
A Battleship can put more ordinance on target, in less time, for less money at less risk to personel, than any other delivery system. [We're are talking non-nuclear of course] as long as the targets are in range of the big guns.

New rocket assisted-ordnance doubles their range, too. Additionally, the Navy designers have a single turret idea that is so rapid fire that it exceeds the steel on target of the Missouri class. Obviously hasn't been funded, yet, but then, whaddya expect from a mach-snot SecDef?

Can it be done on a cz 550 action

To All:

BTW, if any of you are ever in the Houston area, and are interested in battleships, then be sure to vist the USS Texas (BB-35).

She's the oldest battleship still in existence and the only one from the HMS Dreadnought era left. She's even older than the USS Arizona (BB-39) at Pearl Harbor though they are both from the same era. Lots of interesting history. She's smaller than the later battleships, such as the Iowa class, but she does provide an historic look into what the "Dreadnought era" was all about. Worth a visit.

The following is from http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/battlesh/ :

"The TEXAS is the last of the battleships, patterned after HMS Dreadnought, that participated in both World War I and II. She was launched on May 18, 1912 from Newport News, Virginia. When the USS TEXAS was commissioned on March 12, 1914, she was the most powerful weapon in the world, the most complex product of an industrial nation just beginning to become a force in global events.

In 1916, TEXAS became the first U.S. battleship to mount antiaircraft guns and the first to control gunfire with directors and range-keepers, analog forerunners of today's computers. In 1919, TEXAS became the first U.S. battleship to launch an aircraft.

In 1925, the TEXAS underwent major modifications. She was converted to oil-fired boilers, tripod masts and a single stack were added to the main deck, and the 5" guns that bristled from her sides were reduced in number and moved to the main deck to minimize problems with heavy weather and high seas. Blisters were also added as protection against torpedo attack.

The TEXAS received the first commercial radar in the US Navy in 1939. New antiaircraft batteries, fire control and communication equipment allowed the ship to remain an aging but powerful unit in the US naval fleet. In 1940, Texas was designated flagship of US Atlantic Fleet. On April 21, 1948 the Texas was decommissioned.

The TEXAS holds the distinguished designation of a National Historic Landmark and a National Mechanical Engineering Landmark."


BB-35 USS Texas
If you look closely, you'll see that the Texas has five main gun turrets each mounting a pair of 14" guns.


BB-39 USS Arizona
The Arizona had four 14" triple-mount main gun turrets.


BB-59 USS Massachusetts (same class as BB-57 USS South Dakota). Three 16" triple-mount main gun turrets.

Drawings are Roughly to Scale
from: http://www.battleship.org/html/Articles/Features/Scale.htm

For more info, see:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/battlesh/
http://www.usstexasbb35.com/
http://www.battleshiptexas.org/
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/35a.htm

-Bob F.

Bob,
i lived 2 miles from her for 10 years.. i've crawled every inch a civi can, and then some. top to bottom, stem to stern. probly was over every inch of her before the refit and then back to her after.

She glorious, gorgeous and saddening to see the That lady parked!!

jeffe

SDS--Get me the lathe tha built the barrel and
I will make a reamer.And it won't be no
newfangled short magnum.Ed.

Back in Sept. I went on one of the monthly tours, they take you to many parts of the shipm that are normally off limits to the public. It is well worth the $30. I really enjoyed the gun turret part of the tour. There are dummy powder bags for the four 110lb charges that were used on each shot. The 14" projectiles are also on board. What is truely sad is that even with the last rehab, she is still in bad shape. She needs to be drydocked again for more repairs, by the Todd Shipyard dry dock in Galveston is no longer there. the nearest one is in Mobile, Al. To far a way to tow her, as she might breakup and sink.

Hog Killer

quote:

Originally posted by hubel458:
SDS--Get me the lathe tha built the barrel and
I will make a reamer.And it won't be no
newfangled short magnum.Ed.

Ed



Serious question folks. Did they have guys assigned to one gun or turret etc.? That is if it was your job on the boat to manage these things were you assigned to one everytime?

Like "Turret three crew"man

Or was like a duty or shift you could be on any thing any given day?

Karl.

quote:

Originally posted by Karl:

Serious question folks. Did they have guys assigned to one gun or turret etc.? That is if it was your job on the boat to manage these things were you assigned to one everytime?

Like "Turret three crew"man

Or was like a duty or shift you could be on any thing any given day?

Karl.

Karl,

Everybody on board ship, had a duty station. If you ever get to see one of the old ships with this class of armorment on it you will see/learn that they required a highly trained crew. There was a great need for team work to properly load these giants. There were on the order of 60 men assigned to each turret, to move the required ammo from the magazine, up the elevator, and in to the breech. It was then aimed and fired by the fire control station on another part of the ship. They had early mechanical computers to do all of the math to get the round on target. Remember, they were not shooting at other ships while sitting still.

Hog Killer

Hog killer I understand the loading and manpower requirements of it etc.

What I meant was did they stay in the same turret?
In other words would there have been an old sailor who would have said to the above monument "hey that was MY gun ".

Karl.