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I stumbled into 200 416" 300 gr. SSP Barnes Originals for a song. First trip to the range with them loaded in my 416 Taylor delivered disappointing accuracy. The intended use is a Texas landowner private pig safari since it's doubtful I'll ever experience an real African hunt. Most of the hunting is in close, so I don't need exceptional accuracy but having the rifle shoot the Barnes bullets into 2x larger groups than those with the Speer 350gr. Mag tip just doesn't set well with me. Suggestions? John in Oregon | ||
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I also stumbled on some Barnes 375 255 gr. bullets in shiny gold boxes, most be very old as I don,t recall those gold boxes in my time?? Based on the weight I suspect these may be 38-55 bullets? I bought all on the table (3 boxes), and I have no earthly use for them, oh well...  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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They usually worked fine at modest velocity But they are not TSX' s !! Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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I like the originals. Back in the 70s you could buy them in a couple jacket ticknesses to slow expansion. I have them in 250 grain round nose in .308 and 600 grain soft point in .475. on the shelf now. They work great if you follow the velocity suggestions Barnes gave. | |||
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i don't have experience with this particular combo - unlike the monos, set these at -0.030 off the rifling, with a moderate load, and see what your results are. i have had no complaints from the receiving end on speer magtips opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have 500 of them and they shoot very well in my 416 Taylor. But then it shoots every thing very well. So what is the group size any thing under 3 inches will kill hogs out to 200 yards. I believe you well have no trouble killing any hog you shoot with them. | |||
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John Buhmiller used to say that a Barnes solid made a pretty good soft point. He was referring to the ones made with copper tubing for jackets. I took some of the soft points to Africa for use in my .505 SRE (600 gr.) and finally decided to test one on a wildebeest. I shot him in the shoulder, it flattened him, but he got up, took one or two steps and collapsed. A post mortem revealed that the bullet had disintegrated on the shoulder bone. We were only able to find fragments. I never used one again. I think I still have some in calibers .505 and .416, but they are gathering dust. | |||
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Did you try using the Optimal Charge Weight Method for load development? Here is a sample of how to do it. Incremental charge weights are below each point of aim. For a 416 taylor, I would probably use .6 increments instead of .4 - in this example I settle on 46.2 grains. The selection is based on 46.0 & 46.4. Note 43.6 is the best group but any slight increase the group opens way up which means it's not a "stable" accuracy node.  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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We run Reloader 10x in our 416 express with a deviation of 3fps. This load will touch three shots all the time with either of our two rifles. Using the 300 grain Barnes | |||
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Im probably going ot load my old Barnes soft points up to 1900 FPs in my .375 and kill some cans then maybe a few deer on cull next year, or just sell them,who knows in the gold boxes they are pretty and shiny and probably have some collector value..they are 255 gr.with lots of lead showing so probably 38-55 (375) is my guess.. I shot deer with the .348 Win. and the Barnes originals and they worked just fine. My brother shot two elk with that rifle and they worked fine. As I recall they were 250 gr. and 220 gr. and in later years and today you have the option of a Barnes flat nose X bullet and they are the berries in a .348 Win. I live the mod. 71 and the 348 caliber, but its hard to find one that shoots 2 to 2.5 inches at 100 yards, and that's my limit..Most want to shoot 4 inches or there abouts and Ive shot many of them..If I ever find a super accurate one I'll have to buy it.. I think if you slowed down that 416 Taylor to perhaps 1600 FPS, it would shoot better and still kill hogs well.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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