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Minute Of Elephant
17 May 2008, 04:59
45-70 Govt.Minute Of Elephant
This Ruger No. 1, .458 Win. Mag. 4x Leupold. 400 gr. Speer Flat Point, 74 gr. Hodgdon 4895.
I'm trying to get it sighted in.
I expect "one notch" on the scope dial is .25 MOA. -- but I'm not sure.
As near as I can tell, I'm shooting 12" to the right and about 4" low.
But I'm shooting off a sandbag, it's 98F here and the concrete pad is even hotter.
Setting the rifle down between shots, on a black gun case, on a black pickup bed. The grip is getting so hot it burns my hand. Heart is thumping from the heat, hand is burning. Sweating, uncomfortable.
We're not used to this sort of heat.
I'm keeping the ammo in the shade.
Still . . . shots are all over the place. I can't get on the 9" paper plate.
Half dozen shots and called it a day. We'll try later when it cools down.
17 May 2008, 05:23
MacifejThe drama of it all!!!

Better get it figured out cause BigFoot season is right around the corner!!
17 May 2008, 05:38
Badger MattWhat kind of 3-shot groups are you getting at 12" right and 4" low? If they are acceptable to you...make the scope adjustments and see where the next shot goes...and again...and again. No worries bro'.
17 May 2008, 05:42
MacifejThat was his three shot group!! One in the X, one 12" low, and one 4 feet to the right!

Come one 45-70 you can figure this out!!
17 May 2008, 06:44
45-70 Govt.Not getting a three shot group. There's a 9" pie plate on a cardboard backstop about 4' square. I can get on the cardboard, but not on the plate.
It's the heat and the "setup" -- sandbag and kneeling. It's not steady. Heart is thumping the reticle bad.
I have a nice Caldwell Rock, bags, a bench. I was just hoping to dial in the flyers from out on the backstop to somewhere close to the 9" plate.
Too hot! We moved the spotting glass back into the shade. Gun stock got too hot to hold.
I think the marks on the scope dial are .25 MOA.
That's what Leupold suggests, and all my other scopes dial in that way.
Oh shit! Give up and go back to a 45-70. If you slip it between the ribs you can kill an elephant with a heart shot. Yes, OH THE DRAMA OF IT ALL!!! What kind of comedy routine is this supposed to be????

17 May 2008, 11:12
45-70 Govt.You ever been out when it was too hot to shoot?
You ever been too drunk to fish?
The Greeks foiled troops mounted on elephant by sticking the elephant in the asshole with a spear.
It's all about "shot placement" and I can't do it in 100 F heat.
So . . . 0.25 MOA on a click for a Leupold VX I or you wanna razz me about the sunburn?
17 May 2008, 11:50
MacifejWere all the boolits pushed into the cases in the same direction when you mashed everything together??

Let me get my banjo and pluck a tune...."Ever been to drunk to feeeesh....the beeeer wuz hotter thaaaane peeees?"

74 grains of H-4895 is a rather mild load for a 400 grain in a 458 Win.
My load for a 500 grain bullet is 74 grain of H- 4895
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A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
- Winston Churchill
17 May 2008, 17:14
DemonicalSounds like some serious flinching is going on...

Good luck with your efforts.
17 May 2008, 18:21
GeorgeSTry shooting it at 25yds. first. Or is that at 25yds?

George
17 May 2008, 19:27
45-70 Govt.I'm changing the name of this thread to "Chumming For Clowns."
Yeah, I'm loading 74 gr. 4895 for the 500 gr. Hornady Interbond.
Today I'm seriously sunburned. That's part of what's going on. Coastal maritime climate, around here 80F is a "scorcher."
17 May 2008, 19:35
jeffeossoyou know what we call 80deg?
a cool night in March....
Tighten the buttstock...
fire one shot "like a benchgun" unmoving ont he bench, just your figer on the trigger, knowing EXACLTY where you aimed when it went off
now, reset the gun to the point you had AIMED at.. not worrying about the impact just yet...
hold the gun VERY steady while a friend adjusts the scope... and have him adjust it to the IMPACT hole...
shoot again, as this generally takes 3 shots to be dead on perfect
and TIGHTEN YOUR RINGS and buttstock
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Originally posted by 45-70 Govt.:
This Ruger No. 1, .458 Win. Mag. 4x Leupold. 400 gr. Speer Flat Point, 74 gr. Hodgdon 4895.
I'm trying to get it sighted in.
I expect "one notch" on the scope dial is .25 MOA. -- but I'm not sure.
As near as I can tell, I'm shooting 12" to the right and about 4" low.
But I'm shooting off a sandbag, it's 98F here and the concrete pad is even hotter.
Setting the rifle down between shots, on a black gun case, on a black pickup bed. The grip is getting so hot it burns my hand. Heart is thumping from the heat, hand is burning. Sweating, uncomfortable.
We're not used to this sort of heat.
I'm keeping the ammo in the shade.
Still . . . shots are all over the place. I can't get on the 9" paper plate.
Half dozen shots and called it a day. We'll try later when it cools down.
opening post specificaly states 400 grain flat point with 74 grains of H-4895
_____________________________________________________
A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
- Winston Churchill