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I have an Interarms Mk X in 458 WM that I'm thinking of rebarreling. I got the gun for a good price, wanting it mostly for the action. The barrel is in bad shape both inside and out. After playing with different loads, I'm having a hard time getting it to group with anything other than the now discontinued 400gr X bullet. Now I'm trying to decide if I want to keep burning up components on a lost cause, or if it would be easier to rebarrel it. The gun will be used mostly as a backup rifle to my 338-06 while elk and bear hunting. Dropping down to a 416 or even a 375 seems to make good sense considering that the gun will never see anything larger than a moose. The 416 Taylor seemed logical because I have a stash of at least 100 458 WM cases that I could neck down. My other reason for dropping down in bore size is to help with recoil. I'm not going to lie and say that this gun doesn't slap me around pretty good. I only weigh 140# with my steel toe boots on, and this gun has actually slid me off of the bench at the range. But I don't want to brake it, and I don't want the weight to go over 9.5#. I figured that dropping down in bore size would help tame the beast and still give me a big bore backup gun. So, what does everyone think. Is the 416 Taylor worth trying, or do you have other suggestions? Shipping FedEx Ground keeps a small business running. "I'm not late, I'm early for tomorrow." | ||
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The 416 Taylor is a fine cartridge and has considerably less recoil (in equally weighted rifles) than the 458 WM. Same for the 375 Taylor with even less recoil. The 416 essentailly duplicated 416 Rem mag ballistics while the 375 T can duplicate H&H ballistics. The gunmakers and ammo manufacturers really missed the boat by failing to produce these! Your 458 brass will work for either. Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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What Andy said, except it should be considered a modern 404, not a 416 rem counterpart, loaded to "ane" pressure. I would be interested in your takeoff barrel. 416 taylors don't kick much, shot excellent, and are a hoot... Do you reload? You can laod remington 405gr at 2100fps, and it's just a bump on the 458 winmag jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I would agree with the foregoing. I shoot its cousin, the 425 Express, which use .423 bullets instead of .416. It is a very good cartridge. If you ever decided to hunt Africa, you'd be fixed for anything. There is a respectable body of opinion that the 416 is moving up to compete with the 375HH. With the 350 Barnes X bullet, it can really reach out, and with 400's it is serious medicine for buffalo and elephant. Kudude | |||
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I agree pretty much...this would be a good choice as a primary rifle as well. Get a 26-27" barrel, you can only make them shorter at this point in the game. Donnellys' book says 70gr of IMR4320 will shove a 400gr RN bullet out the barrel at 2401fps, and that is plenty of whomp! My CZ 416Rigby does that with factory loads, and NObody has ever questioned the Rigbys effectiveness on Rhino, Buff, or Elephants. Rich | |||
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I can't find much info on the 375 Taylor, is it basically the same as the 375/338 Win Mag? Is it less popular than the 416? I originally tried downloading the 458, to make it "fun" to shoot. Groups were in the 4-6" range at 100yds with most of the light loads I tried. By contrast, the 400gr X bullet with a full load of Re7 runs about 1.5" with a 4x scope at 100yds. But I'm down to 8 of the X bullets. Shipping FedEx Ground keeps a small business running. "I'm not late, I'm early for tomorrow." | |||
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Well, if you decide on the 416, I would suggest looking on ebay for "adams mauser" there's a guy that posts there for a $150 install AND barrel, once or twice a month. I would be interested in the 458 barrel, though I would think you would want those sights (barrel band wont work) put on your 416. the 24" AB 416 is a decent barrel. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yes it is and for your efforts (nothing larger than moose) it makes a lot more sense. That said the 375 Ruger (yet to come) makes even more sense asnd it's not a wildcat. Sell that few cases of 458 brass and get some new brass from Hornady for the 375 Ruger. | |||
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Jeffeosso- This barrel is pretty bad. The bore is pitted the full length. I don't know if anyone ever made corrosive ammo in 458, but it looks like that's the case. What's the story on the 375 Ruger? I've heard of it, but I don't know anything about the round. Is it based on any other case, or is something new? I had considered doing the 376 Steyr but I'm not sure what bolt face that uses. Shipping FedEx Ground keeps a small business running. "I'm not late, I'm early for tomorrow." | |||
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You won't see much difference in the 458 and Taylor, recoil wise. http://huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/ ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Will always says that... loaded to the same pressure, 416 taylor, 9.5#rifle, 400gr bullet, 68gr powder, vel 2334, 52ft-lbs 458 win, 9.5# rifle, 500gr bullet, 72gr powder, vel 2177, 68ft-lbs  that he's not right, well, opinions vary. Andy, if it shoots 1.5", it'll work for a thumper. it'll spend the rest of it's life blowing up water jugs and feral hogs... the 375 ruger is a propritary case, brand new, specs not released, with more capacity than a 375HH that fits in a 3.35 length action jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Mine has a 22" barrel and has accounted for 15 buffalo, and all manner of plains game. Any 416 with 400 gr. bullets and at 2350 f/s is a real killer in anyones book. square shooter | |||
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I built mine on a Ruger MKII stainless works well shot a couple of deer and 1 big 490lb black bear with it. The deer were shot with resized 300 .429 bullets worked well at 2620fps. The bear was shot with a 350 gr speer magtip. worked well also I put a 25 inch barrel on mine. A good cal that can be used on anything. | |||
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KKD, if you rebarrel, and you want to sell the 458 WM barrel let me know! I have a spare Mark-X Zastava whitworth action, and stock. and I could use the barrel. Does this barrel have the express sights, and barrel mounted sling swivel? ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Mac, do I see a 470 Capstick rebore here? Rich | |||
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The barrel is nothing special. It just has a ramped front sight and no barrel band. Shipping FedEx Ground keeps a small business running. "I'm not late, I'm early for tomorrow." | |||
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