I have visted many sporting goods stores and the big bores 375 and up have gotten very hard to find.I think the Ruger Express in 458 lott is the only one I have seen latey.I have not seen any 416 rem mags at all.I saw one 375 ultra mag in a Christen Arms that was about 7 pounds.There are not that many big bore Rifles made but this is pretty scarce.I had a dealer tell me that 458s here in alaska lasted about 45 mintues on the shelf at his store.The 375 can be found but they dont last long either.There is kinda a shortage of these rifles after Winchester closed .I think they made more 416 rem mags than any one else.I wish Remington would make some more runs of some 416 rem mag rifles.

MAYBE, Remmy will make a run of .416s on their "new" 798 line. If they have the .375H&H, no physical reason for not having the .416 Rem.

Hog Killer

I heard Remington is releasing a new family of magnum calibers... They're calling them the "Super Ultra Critter Killer Special". Just keep your eye out for the new Remington S.U.C.K.S. line

Hog Killer:
Never been real fond of Remington prducts, other than my old 510 single shot 22 and my 870's, but if they did do a run of the 798 in 416, that would probably climb rapidly to my list of wants....hope it comes true.

There is a demand for reasonably priced 416s.They fit into more actions than will the 416 Rigby will.It also makes for a less recoiling rifle that can weigh a few pounds less and still be very shootible and afordable with regular actions.I think if Remintion chambered about 2000 of those rifles in 416 rem mag they would sell out pretty fast with the Winchesters gone.

The cheaper price and better availability of .416Remi ammo should put it well ahead of Rigby in popularity. Unlike .375H&H vs. .416Remi the difference in recoil forces between Remi and Rigby is not really significant and only DR guys worry about chamber pressure, right?

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Ultra Mag? Ammo ordered moons ago is getting dusty on dealer shelf, soon to be sold at well below original cost! Try to find a dusty 20 pack of .375H&H!
What about our fav metrics like 9,3x62. "What ammo do you need, can you repeat that." 9,3 what?

I am not sure how it is elsewhere, but the shop I bought my new CZ 550 at, usually has a few big bores in stock. Over the past 10 years I got my 340 and a 338, my 375, and now my 458.

When I bought the 458, they had 2 of the 550's in 458 and 1 in 416 Rigby, and also a Ruger #1 in 416 Rigby, on their new gun racks. Didn't check in their used guns when I was buying the CZ, but when I was in a few days before I bought it, I did look at their used guns, and they had at least 1 375 and 1 338.

They also sell guns on consignment and nearly always have a couple of big guns.

As for the Ultra Mags, and this is just my opinion, but I never was impressed with any of them. From the stand points of recoil, muzzle blast, and the big increase in powder charges when handloading/reloading, over a lot of the already available rounds, I couldn't see that their performance was that much better. I mean in looking it up out of curiosity, I believe that a 30-378, requires 38 more grains of powder than a 30-06, to achieve an amazing 400 feet more per second velocity with a 180 grain bullet. To me that just seems a lot of powder for not that great of an increase. when comparing the 30-378 to either the 300 H&H/Win.Mag./Weatherby Mag, the difference is even less. Again just my opinion.

There is a difference! At 400yrds. .300RUM 180gr NP (Remi load) drops approx. 5" < .300WinMag.
You know, a local shop has a nice Remi 700 .300RUM APR for $999.

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Originally posted by ManCannon:
They're calling them the "Super Ultra Critter Killer Special". Just keep your eye out for the new Remington S.U.C.K.S. line

Thanks... I know it was a tad off topic, but I just couldn't resist

The 458 lott in the Ruger and a Remington XCR in the 375 ultra mag are the only two big bores I have seen in about 40 gun shops.I told one guy I had and extra 416 rem mag and an extra 458 win in model 70 he said they were last about 45 mintues in his shop.

I would suggest that if they only last 45 minutes on his shelf he isn't asking enough for them.

The big ones are not for the majority of hunters anyway. Rebarreling other belted magnums is easy and cheap. If you need one, get it done. Standard work like this is what pays the bills for most gunsmiths. If everything was factorymade, were woyld you bring your broken guns?

I read some where that Ruger sells about 300 of it's big bore rifles per year. Not sure how accurate that info is.........but if so, that sure is not a product that is making the corperation a ton of money.

Fact of the matter, there is a VERY small market for big bore rifles here in the states. Of that small number sold, I wonder how many every make a trip to Africa for use on dangerous game?

This forum being home to the hard core rifle loonies (my self included). It seems that MANY people want big bores but just can't find the right ones. While we may be very particular in the features/quality that we'd want. We are the fringe element in the market segment of gun buyers. With the shrinking of gun buyers as a whole, and the tough market place for gun manufacturers as it is, I just do not see many new opportunities for us to buy new "off the shelf" big bores. Factories will just have a hard time justifiying the costs.

Looks like it will be a custom world! For me that is more than true....I shoot left handed. So I have a tough enough time finding ANYTHING beyond 270s, 06's 7mags etc.

the ar forums in general and this big bore forum in specific tend to give one a tilted view of the world.. the 416 rem is just a rebarrel away from a 375 on a new remmie crf (boy, that hurts to say).. expecially the NEW part.

When you are trying to sell a 300win and EVERYONE that looks at is says "man, that's too big" it's hard to market a 416rem... i don't know how many CZ makes, but they seem to have a corner on CRF bigbores right now.. and they haven't raised prices since winnie closed.. so it bears to market reason that they are charging what the market will bear, NOW... not that they could move more units lower priced or more profit higher priced.

i doubt the big bore population of the US has 1000 non-africa bound big bore buyers in it...

jeffe

yesssssssssssssssssssss,
I'd also like to see more working mans priced big bores, the "hose 'em" factor comes into play very quickly these days. I spoke with people at Ruger, Remington and Winchester several years running at the SHOT Show as to why there is such a price differential between standard magnums and the 375/416/458 chamberings. Nobody ever had a better answer than "because...". It costs no more to make a barrel with a big hole in it than a .22 caliber one.
Stock reinforcement is the only cost adding factor to account for.

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by ManCannon:
I heard Remington is releasing a new family of magnum calibers... They're calling them the "Super Ultra Critter Killer Special". Just keep your eye out for the new Remington S.U.C.K.S. line

Now, that was too good!!!

Those Ruger Mags will bring pretty $$$, if the manufacturer desides to DC them.

It's crappy that the big bores have been getting scarce. They're versatile as hell and there's something addicting about slinging a huge chunk of lead out of a barrel.
I had a good hunting buddy a little bit ago e-mail me with some dissapointing news. He used to be a big bore enthusiast as well and we used to hunt anything with big bores. The other day he sold a rifle I did up for him, a nice Enfield P17 in .458 Lott, for something awful, a damn custom Remington chambered for their 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. He bragged to me that if he has his laptop out there with him, he could calculate everything and dial it into his scope, and be able to take a deer out at 800 yards.
Please tell me fella's, am I insane for thinking this almost qualifies as a crime?!

I have a nice Griffin & Howe in 375, a nice pre '64 Win. Mod. 70 in 375 in a handsome custom wood stock and a pre owned Ruger in 416 Rigby.
They are need for someone to take them on safari.

I for one have a 375 H&H that I just got and I am not considering going to Africa. Maybe for bear or elk in thick country, maybe. Basically I just always wanted one of these classsics to shoot. I had to settle for a Ruger as the prices of Winchester got bid out of sight. The Winchester or a Whitworth would have been perfect. But alas the Ruger looks allright now that I've jeveled the bolt, changes ourt the frigger trigger for a Timney, and put a Kick-eze pad on it. With a Winchester I would not have had this additional expense.

Harry -

Sent you a PM regarding your Win. MOd. 70 .375.

Brad

I bought a stainless remington safari in .458 win mag this spring. Just trying to help the cause.

I bought two more 416 rem mags making it 5 I own and a 458 win mag.I needed a stainless 416 rem mag with a fiberglass stock but they are really hard to find.I will probally sell two of my 416s and the 458 win mag if I do decide to get a stainless Remington.I do have a Stainless Winchester model that that I could convert to 416 rem mag.

I ordered a Ruger .416 Rigby on May 2. The Atlanta area store said they had some coming in in June but that Ruger may not send a .416 (they did not last year). Then they called yesterday to say that it had arrived. $1550.

I also ordered on May 2, a Montana action for a .416 Rem as a backup. It has a July shipment estimate. I guess it'll go on the shelf for a while.

When I get back to the states I'm thinking about gearing up to make a .72 caliber muzzleloader, obviously a heavy rifle. Actually, not just thinking about it, I am gonna do it! So I'll keep everyone up to date on how that's going when I get there, in about 2 monthes.
By the way if anyone's kept up with my various oddball threads, we've been trying and my wish finally came true. I'm going to be a father! Sorry but I'm excited and just wanted to share with everyone here!