The gun is about 10 lbs. I have a lot of experience with other rifles, nothing quite like this.

1 to 1 1/2 inches at 100 yards off a rest.

IMO, no different than any other rifle (with too much free bore when loaded to COL specs.)

1" to 1 1/2" is plenty good.

JPK

1 1/2 inch 100 yards open sights is very good, better with scope.. Use a lead sled if your going to pop off alot of rounds for groups. 0-25 lbs lead added, as per your personal feelings..(Pun intended).. the sled will take awhile to get it figured out.. sight in afterwords with good load the way your going to shoot in the field.. youl need a good stock, and will find out if its a good one or not.. My opiinon only.. dave

The .458 Win Mag and .458 Lott are very accurate big bores. Single digit standard deviation over a chronograph is common. the .458 is capable of sub-MOA.

I agree with the above comments; I've had exceptional accuracy with my .458's, a lot of times better than the smaller bores - less finicky. The .458 Lott & Win.Mag. are both GREAT cartridges - nothing better.

The rifles can almost always shoot better than the shooter can ... I have had several sub 1 5/8 th inch groups ........... My very best 458 is the least accurate one I,ve owned ......... Killed lots of stuff with it tho ....

I've gotten pretty good results with my Remington 700 safari .458 Win mag. I could never shoot well with the sights the gun came with. Pretty shitty sights actually so I got a williams guide sight on the rear and a custom brass dot sight for the front(nothing fancy). Soon to be replaced by a gold front sight if I can find a goldsmith to do the work.

With winchester factory 510gr soft points I've been able to get 3/4" at 75 yards and 1"ish at 100 yards with my handloads using cast bullets and 4198. I've got a friend who has the same rifle as I do but he put a scope on it and shoots out to 200 yards with his with both factory 510gr soft points and 500gr cast bullets. He can keep a 4" gong bouncing around without any trouble.

Ahhh, lead sleds; the custom stockmaker's best friend.

If you can't put five shots under two inches at 100yds with a scope off the bench, you need to buy a rifle with less recoil.

Rich
Buff Killer

You have to be able to hit this at any range up to 100 yards:



Anything better than that is just gravy.

Buff heart? Is it any good fried?

I have yet to find an inaccurate 458 bore, be it the Win mag, the Lott, or the Sharps cartridges. I use the same standard for all larger rifles I shoot of a pie plate at 300 yards. If I can place three rounds in an 8" circle at 300 then I call it good and just enjoy shooting. You would be amazed at how accurate these rifles can be with a cross wind compared to the smaller, faster rounds out there.

Joe

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Buff heart? Is it any good fried?

I have yet to find an inaccurate 458 bore, be it the Win mag, the Lott, or the Sharps cartridges. I use the same standard for all larger rifles I shoot of a pie plate at 300 yards. If I can place three rounds in an 8" circle at 300 then I call it good and just enjoy shooting. You would be amazed at how accurate these rifles can be with a cross wind compared to the smaller, faster rounds out there.

Joe

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That sounds like alot of fun , I,m going to try it ...

Put five rounds of Norma factory 500 gr. A Frames into a hole you could cover with a quarter at 50 yards the other day. Gonna try it at a 100 when I get my lead sled back. Shooting a S&B scoped .458 off the bench without a lead sled is a good way to end up with Weatherby eyebrow. Great optics; poor eye relief.

I agree with previous posts. My CZ .458 Lott with iron sights can shoot 1-2 inch groups at 50 yards all day. I admit that I am not the best rifle shot, therefore this accuracy is good for me.

I agree with the above posts, the 458 is one of those inherently accurate calibers like the 375 H&H I've had a few over the years, one Dakota comes to mind that shot 1/2 inch three shot groups with a 1.5x5 scope. All of the one's I've owned shot an inch or better.

My whitworth is good for an inch over the iron sights with 350gr hornadys at 2450fps

Great cartridge.
Runs similarly with 480/500/510 softs or solids at 100yds, I don't run it much with the heavy bullets though - recoil is pretty much the same either way and if you're handling the rifle properly it's a total non-issue.


Cheers
Tinker

I shot a Tang safety Ruger .458 Win I have the other day using older 450 gn Barnes X-bullets and h4198 and it shot all groups under an inch at 100 off a sandbags w/ a 1.5-5x VXIII. My buddy suggested I use it for my woodchuck rifle this season. Just for the hell of it when I bought a new runout gauge check some ,458's and they all had less then .002 runout! I figure cause the bullets are so long that they align themselves well in the cases. will say though after 20 shots (w/the Barnes) there is enough copper in it to make a penny LOL. It shoots the 500gn Barnes Banded solids to nearly the identical point of impact and at about 1 inch groups. My suggestion though is to take it easy off the benh I limit myself to around no more than 10 really stiff loads at one bench sitting. I regularly shoot 20-30 off hand and shooting stick shots just funning around. I did some research last weekend and found that 450 X-bullets work extremely well for obliterating stray bowling balls(found a bunch in an old junk pile)!!!!!!!

The 458 rifle shoots certain bullets better than others because of the number of grooves in the barrels bore.Also,like all rifles,newer ones have tighter tolerences and shoot much more accurate when they are new.The 458 is a high pressure round when loaded the way it should be,therefore,it does not stay accurate for very long,but longerthan many other cartridges..You have the recoil messing upthings as well and making things much more complicated.When you get it all together,it should shoot as ACCUURATE AS ANY OTHER CARTRIDGE,and groups should start to open gradually but remain good for a few hundred rds if not more.The 458 does not eat away at the bore like many other cartridges.I've had cartridges that were stayed accurate for as few as a handfull of rounds.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The 458 rifle shoots certain bullets better than others because of the number of grooves in the barrels bore. Also,like all rifles,newer ones have tighter tolerences and shoot much more accurate when they are new. The 458 is a high pressure round when loaded the way it should be,therefore,it does not stay accurate for very long,but longerthan many other cartridges..You have the recoil messing upthings as well and making things much more complicated.When you get it all together,it should shoot as ACCUURATE AS ANY OTHER CARTRIDGE,and groups should start to open gradually but remain good for a few hundred rds if not more. The 458 does not eat away at the bore like many other cartridges. I've had cartridges that were stayed accurate for as few as a handfull of rounds.

Is that why the BR guys rebarrel their rifles after every match?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The 458 rifle shoots certain bullets better than others because of the number of grooves in the barrels bore.Also,like all rifles,newer ones have tighter tolerences and shoot much more accurate when they are new.The 458 is a high pressure round when loaded the way it should be,therefore,it does not stay accurate for very long,but longerthan many other cartridges..You have the recoil messing upthings as well and making things much more complicated.When you get it all together,it should shoot as ACCUURATE AS ANY OTHER CARTRIDGE,and groups should start to open gradually but remain good for a few hundred rds if not more.The 458 does not eat away at the bore like many other cartridges.I've had cartridges that were stayed accurate for as few as a handfull of rounds.

wow, this is amazing .. csan't let this lettle gem get away from us, as he doesn't even know the difference between TWIST and "grooves"

It's not easy teaching others about rifles.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It's not easy teaching others about rifles.

So, I am still wondering....

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Is that why the BR guys rebarrel their rifles after every match?

Roll Eyes


Jason

Do you still believe that recoil increases in a fouled bore?

You guys must be pretty bored to be replying to the Montreal motorcycle mad man .........

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The 458 rifle shoots certain bullets better than others because of the number of grooves in the barrels bore.Also,like all rifles,newer ones have tighter tolerences and shoot much more accurate when they are new.The 458 is a high pressure round when loaded the way it should be,therefore,it does not stay accurate for very long,but longerthan many other cartridges..You have the recoil messing upthings as well and making things much more complicated.When you get it all together,it should shoot as ACCUURATE AS ANY OTHER CARTRIDGE,and groups should start to open gradually but remain good for a few hundred rds if not more.The 458 does not eat away at the bore like many other cartridges.I've had cartridges that were stayed accurate for as few as a handfull of rounds.

This was posted for the humor.....right? It was a joke to get everyone to respond, it has to be, because no one could possibly believe anything said in that posting. Didn't Rob mention something about this guy's helmet being too tight?

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Didn't Rob mention something about this guy's helmet being too tight?

Right..

Most of the 458's in either WM or Lott, that I have shot, have all been fairly accurate and not very fussy. My current model 70 classic 458 WM is 100% stock from the factory and at 100yds will shoot .75-.5" groups with anything I can stuff in it.

But it's all about being prepared and although recoil is moderate it's no .308. Most people who say their gun won't shoot well, may not be able to handle the recoil.

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Originally posted by Joe Miller:

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The 458 rifle shoots certain bullets better than others because of the number of grooves in the barrels bore.Also,like all rifles,newer ones have tighter tolerences and shoot much more accurate when they are new.The 458 is a high pressure round when loaded the way it should be,therefore,it does not stay accurate for very long,but longerthan many other cartridges..You have the recoil messing upthings as well and making things much more complicated.When you get it all together,it should shoot as ACCUURATE AS ANY OTHER CARTRIDGE,and groups should start to open gradually but remain good for a few hundred rds if not more.The 458 does not eat away at the bore like many other cartridges.I've had cartridges that were stayed accurate for as few as a handfull of rounds.

This was posted for the humor.....right? It was a joke to get everyone to respond, it has to be, because no one could possibly believe anything said in that posting. Didn't Rob mention something about this guy's helmet being too tight?

Shootaway believes it. He also believes that recoil can increase due to a fouled bore....