Bought some Hornady .458 WM brass about a year ago when all Win brass was back-ordered. Was going to load it and take it to Africa on my ele hunt in late summer. Was testing today to see if the load was the same in the Hornady brass as Win brass.

Got this on 5th shot.





Never had that before even on old brass. Now rethinking using it.

Anybody know where any Winchester brass is?

I have about 80 rounds of .458 WM brass labeled WW SUPER THAT I have no use for.

Is that the case mouth? Speculations on what happened?

How much case expansion, and what does the primer look like? Just curious.

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Got this on 5th shot.

Well I wouldn't use more then once fired brass on an expensive hunt.

Might even buy new brass I seen brass from many manufactures be bad at some time.

Back in the 70's I had a batch once fired 357 rem brass that split during the sizing process.

It is made in huge amounts and things are not always perfect.

7kongoni,

PM sent.

I have shot this load for years in this rifle...in Winchester Brass.

Fed 215, 72 gr A 2230, 450 gr NF soft.

The primer is flattened as usual but nothing more. Have not measured case head expansion.

If anything...Hornady brass is usually thinner and thus has lower pressure/velocity.

This was brand new never fired case. Was just checking to see if load changed with brass change.

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Originally posted by FFemtRN5287:
Is that the case mouth? Speculations on what happened?

Yes sir...the case mouth. Not sure...bad piece of brass???

I have switched to Hornady brass for almost all my reloading. A few days ago I weighed some .338 LM cases - Hornady vs Lapua, and believe it or not, the Hornady cases had lower weight variation than the Lapua's. Granted, the Lapua's were a bit heavier.

I have not had any problems with Hornady brass. In my experience WW brass primer pockets seem to loosen faster than Hornady, Lapua, or Nosler cases.

I lost 3 out of 16 the same way test firing my .500bpe. I've yet to try loading a second box of cases.

Dave

I.bought a bunch of hornady 405 Winchester brass it's terrible .It buckled about 30 percent of the time .I heard after it's fired it gets harder .I asked Starline if they could make brass theirs is awesome .Hornady is not as good as they pretend to be I.have seen tons of problems with their brass !

I have heard and read lot of bad things about Hornady brass. They are making a lot of brass that has been hard to get for a while, now. I think that it would be good for those with bad experiences with their product, to let Hornady know, so they might be motivated to improve it. While I've heard bad reports, I've read good reports as well. I've had good and bad experiences with Rem, Win, and Federal. Mostly good for all three. Sometimes shit happens. I have only used Hornady 204 Ruger brass, and it works great for me, but I've got some 275 Rigby brass that I'd like to try out. It is in our best interest to encourage Hornady to improve. The other big three American makers have quite making brass for a lot of calibers. I think Hornady is a good company. Let's help them be better.

Good philosophy Matt...agreed.

I have seen Hornady brass split necks on the first firing. A piece of material breaking out of the neck sure looks like the neck area being too hard. This seems to indicate some inconsistently annealed necks. Quality control is not what it could be.

I've always had good luck with hornaday brass. I've not had good luck with Winchester brass. I prefer Nosler custom and hornaday.

I've had pretty good luck to date with thei hornady brass in 470NE. Just received 100 pieces of their 375H&H that I was going to load up for my SA trip in September. 10 of them might end up being guinea pigs in the interim to evaluate for any of this same trouble. Any merit in annealing it first?

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Originally posted by FFemtRN5287:
I've had pretty good luck to date with thei hornady brass in 470NE. Just received 100 pieces of their 375H&H that I was going to load up for my SA trip in September. 10 of them might end up being guinea pigs in the interim to evaluate for any of this same trouble. Any merit in annealing it first?

That is what I did Brandon. Bought 50 and was going to take 40 and use 10 to get rifle ready. Now I am waiting on some Winchester (like I have used for 20 years) from 7kongoni!

Now days with what seems poorer quality control on most brass I would anneal the large calibre expensive brass before using. This can only do good and then at least sets all the brass up at the same start line.

I still have some new in the box 404J brass from RWS which is getting onto 30 years old now so this will be annealed before I use it irrespective that it was annealed when manufactured and RWS brass is/was generally recognised as the king of brass.

BTW what happened to the piece of brass that came of the mouth of your 458W case?

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Originally posted by eagle27:
Now days with what seems poorer quality control on most brass I would anneal the large calibre expensive brass before using. This can only do good and then at least sets all the brass up at the same start line.

I still have some new in the box 404J brass from RWS which is getting onto 30 years old now so this will be annealed before I use it irrespective that it was annealed when manufactured and RWS brass is/was generally recognised as the king of brass.

BTW what happened to the piece of brass that came of the mouth of your 458W case?

Never found it...assume it went out the bore.

I have used a lot of HOrnady brass, especially during the shortages, and had no problems at all..

I will say this, and not directing this problem to anyone in particular, but a lot of brass reloading problems are operator caused, such as buckled brass, poor reloading practices, too hot loads, sticky bolts, failure to trim, using cases with loose primers to get one more load out of them, etc, etc., Problems caused without working up slowly to max and just using book max to start with...I hear the same complaints about all brass when one person posts complaints on certain brass, some have problems and others do not...