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In reading the UPS rules and regs ad nauseum, it seems as if I can not ship my 600 OK ammo to MT (or anywhere else) via UPS. Here is what I found: Title 49 CFR states in Chapter 1, section 173.63 the packaging exceptions to full regulation. Under that section, (b) Cartridges, small arms, may be reclassed, and offered for transportation, and transported as ORM–D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM–D material is limited to: Under this “limited to†section, there is item (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun; and (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shot shells. This is the critical part to shipping ammunition. If it is 50 caliber or less, or 8 gauge or less, UPS will take the shipment in a sturdy box marked with a ORM-D, Cartridges, Small Arms label on the outside of the box. Unfortunately, all my brass is primed making it "Dangerous Goods" subject to the above. I really did not want to "check" anything as my rifle has already gone via UPS to AHR. Any other suggestions? NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | ||
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I would say that shipping primed brass would be just fine. The regulations refer to "ammunition", and primed brass is not ammuniiton. | |||
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You can ship primed brass via US Postal Service. George  | |||
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8 gage ... 12 ga slugs are .720 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Primed brass is prohibited from mailing by the USPS since primers themselves are classified as a non-mailable explosive.
http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c3_004.html#NL508_26 Primed brass does not require a hazmat fee when shipped by UPS ground just the same as ammo. | |||
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Why do you think I invented the 12 GaFH? Just for insane amounts of power? No! I invented it to legally avoid ALL THIS STUPIDITY particularily in the Commie state of Kalifornia! BTW are we talking about UPS or USPS? UPS doesn't look at anything in a sealed box as far as I can tell. In fact there is no one who works for UPS who could tell .5 inches from .6! Use of Rulers in not taught in grade 5 anymore.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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wrongtarget, You may not mail primers, but primed brass is neither ammunition nor primers. CCMdoc, You can check with sellers of primed brass, like Midway. USPS is a shipping option. George | |||
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GeorgeS, Sorry George, that's not true, I posted the USPS regs for ya, show me a regulation that says otherwise. What part of primers and blank cartridges being non-mailable do you not understand? Tim USPS retired | |||
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You should have read the law more carefully then you wouldn't have wasted all that time!!  | |||
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GCA states that any component of ammunition is considered ammunition. What that has to do with individual shippers rules I couldn't tell ya!! Yep! even inert solid metal bullets not loaded are considered ammunition and yes you need an FFL to manufacture them for sale. | |||
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Macifej- the 12GaFH is a 12 Ga shotgun. Thats how its registered with the DOJ. It will fire 12 Ga shotshells and thus is classified as a shotgun. 12 guage slugs are not considered destructive devices and there is no weight restriction on 12 Ga slugs. Trust me I spent quite ba bit of time with them on this. After all I make my living by carefully reading the LAW and getting solid interpretations of it. -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Yeah me too!! Guess the shotun provision was the impetus for the endeavor as it gives you somewhat of a universal "no touchy" classification. I was thinking of your referece to California law. No different than the Federal Law regarding DD Exemption although I could see how a cursury reading could lead one to believe there may be. Anyway - is that infernal SL-10 fully up to speed yet cause I need some (big) parts run!! | |||
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Tim, I believe you are making an overly broad interpretation of the phrase 'associated primers'. The regs do not prohibit primed cases. I have received primed brass from Midway and others over the years, most of it delivered via USPS because their service is better than UPS. Paul, AHR sells both ammunition and cases for .500"+ cartridges. Ask them what carrier they use. George | |||
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Since the original question was shipping over 50 caliber ammo, how does A-Square, AHR, Quality Cartridge, the dealer for Kynoch, or any of the other manufacturers of over 50 cal. ship their ammo? I bought some 577 3" for a project I was considering and it came via UPS. Not wanting to start a  contest, but since the ammo for all the over 50 caliber British cartridges is out there, and there are shooters who use those cartridges, there has to be someway to ship them!! | |||
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Guys- UPS works just fine for this stuff and has for years and years. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill. We have better things to do,-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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George I am a cartridge collector and ship and receive a lot of cartridges via UPS Ground and can tell you positively, without a doubt, that primed brass cannot be shipped via USPS. I know that a lot of primed brass and loaded ammo has been shipped USPS but it is illegal and anyone doing so is taking a chance. I find it hard to believe that Midway shipped you primed brass via USPS. Especially when their own catalog specifically says it can be shipped only by UPS Ground. Ray Arizona Mountains | |||
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 I haven't bought primed brass in a while, having laid in a good supply. Perhaps the regs have changed since those halcyon days. In any case, some means of shipping primed cases and ammunition for the big rounds must exist, since AHR and others (Quality Cartridges, Superior Ammunition, et al.) are doing so. George | |||
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Collectors routinely send and receive large caliber cartridges (.50 to .75 cal) so either that UPS rule is ignored or is interpreted to mean explosives or munitions rather than small arms cartidges. Ray Arizona Mountains | |||
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