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375 Ruger data here: https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/468103556 Note the 20" barrel. | ||
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Those numbers are close to what I get out of the 24" barrel of my H&H M70. Winchester M70......375 H&H Nosler 260 NP....IMR4350- 76 grn = 2680 fps Barnes 300 TSX...IMR4064- 67.5 grn = 2480 fps Hodgdon says the max load with a 270 grain bullet and IMR4350 in the H&H is 78.5 grains in a compressed load and the Ruger can hold 82 grains with no mention of compression Most loads look like they can take about 2-5 grains over H&H data (from Hodgdon) for very similar velocities. How much difference would a 24" barrel make? I've seen estimates of 20-50 fps per inch but in the big case what's realistic? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Yep, not bad for a 20" barreled .375 Ruger. 'Twould be the exceedingly rare 20" barreled .375 H&H that could do that with hot loads. | |||
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bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong-bong!! That was the sound of the clock striking midnight, and the carriage and horses are back to pumpkin and mice. I do not see any prince (maybe RIP?) chasing after the scullery maid who would be queen with a 250+fps glass slipper. The wake has been cancelled, the old queen has shown a tenacity for life not easily extinguished.  Rich DRSS | |||
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I read an article in Rifle that basically stated the 375 Ruger is trying to duplicate the 375 H&H, but in a lighter and cheaper package. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now if they would just offer it in their all weather… | |||
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The whiners are the ones crying because the .375 Ruger beats the .375 H&H thoroughly in all areas, except in nostalgia and ammo stocks on shelves around the world. That will change. Change is inevitable, the only certainty in life, besides death and taxes, of course.  | |||
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RIP, I just wish, ONCE, that you would apply the same level of open mindedness to yourself that you require of the rest of us. You were the guy blowing the horn of 250+fps advantage over the 375 H&H for the 375rooger...now Hornday itself has testing data that shows that 250+fps has dissipated in the dawn of reality. It would be waaaaaaaaaaay to much to ask you to admit you were sucked in by falsehoods and optimistic claims...but the truth is here and now and all of the BS got thrown on your door. Be a man, admit you got hoodwinked... Rich DRSS | |||
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Whatever the Idaho Zephyr is flapping his jaws/fingers about, I have no idea. The ignore feature is so nice. Idaho Sharpshooter and shootaway, what a team.  | |||
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I honestly do not recall the 250fps gains that were allegedly flaunted by Hornady or Ruger. If someone could find the quote or news release that says that, I'd be interested in seeing it just out of curiousity. It seems to have escaped me, even though I searched out everything 375 Ruger a few months back when it was first released. What I do recall very vividly, is that Hornady/Ruger claimed that the cartridge would "outperform" 24" barrel 375 H&H velocities from a 20" barrel. Although the difference is slight with those barrel lengths, it seems to be exactly true (within marketing reason!  ).Anyway, it matters not to me whether it beats the H&H. I like the case and am happy if it can match the H&H in an '06 length action. Reason: I have been jonsin for a lightweight stainless synthetic 375 for two years. This cart is perfect for that application as I can use a standard lenght action for weight and give up nothing in ballistics. My idea of the perfect African Elk Cartridge. My 2c is free, Canuck | |||
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This is what Hornady is saying now, anyway:
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Oh really, Canuck? Is that what he is flapping about? Well, you Canuck are absolutely right, on all counts. If ISs is lying about some imaginary quote by me on the .375 Ruger, then just chalk it up to another one of his ISsie fits. Either he schemes and connives ways to  like a true  or he is truly of the same mental caliber as shootaway. Either way it is pretty pathetic.I sure hope he stops addressing me in posts if that is what he is doing. From your latest quote of Hornady regarding the .375 Ruger, I would say they are being honest. That is what they got with the particular pressure barrels, brass, bullets, primers and powders they used in their tests. Our mileage may vary, just as our rifles do. | |||
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I checked my saved .pdf original news releases from Hornady and Ruger and can't find it. Maybe someone here projected it, or one of those early internet reviews?? Either way I seem to have missed those too as I never had any illusion that the Ruger would beat the H&H by that significant of a margin. Anyway...not intending to beat a dead horse or start a scrap. Just wondering what all the 'hoo-hah' is still about. I've tried to ignore the scrapping about it lately but got sucked into reading these recent theads today. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Canuck, I know the .375 Weatherby factory brass is 14.2% greater capacity than the WW Super/Winchester brass in .375 H&H. No fudging "rule of quarters" need apply to this velocity comparison. Reality speaks: The .375 Weatherby only gets about 210 fps greater velocity than the the .375 H&H with 300 grainers, all else equal/optimized for each cartridge in a 24" barrel. When initial reports said the .375 Ruger was 5 or 6 percent bigger than the .375 H&H, I would certainly not have jumped to any conclusions making the .375 Ruger better than a .375 Weatherby. If I have a pretty good handle on any caliber in rifle reloading, it is the .375's.  .375 Ruger is 3.6% bigger than WW Super .375 H&H brass. .375 Ruger is 9.9% bigger than the heavy/thick PMP .375 H&H. Averaging those two as the spectrum of .375 H&H cases comparison, the .375 Ruger is 6.75% bigger than the .375 H&H. Maybe Hornady used Hornady .375 H&H brass and the .375 Ruger is 5% or 6% bigger than Hornady .375 H&H brass? Could be as simple and honest as that. | |||
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Could be RIP. In reviewing an old Hornady "sell sheet" (which is still available on Hornady's website) I do see that they were claiming 2700fps from an unspecified barrel length for 300gr bullets, while meeting or exceeding ballistics and terminal performance of 375 H&H but from a 20" barrel. The original release and website also says 2660 fps with a 300gr bullet from a 24" barrel, which is only 40 fps off of the 2700 fps claim (which for all we know might have been from a 26" test barrel???). Anyway that 2700 fps is 250 fps faster than standard 2450 fps H&H loads (even though people regularly exceed that reloading). Is that where this 250fps number comes from? I would personally consider it more like 200 fps based on the original claim (not knowing the barrel length) and my personal assumption of 2500 fps for 300gr bullets in an H&H, and 160 fps based on the numbers for a 24" barrel. I understand handloads for the Ruger are exceeding 2700 fps though, which bumps us back up to 200 fps gains. Still its just as good as I ever thought it would be. As long as its in the H&H ball park, I am a happy camper. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Canuck, You are making sense to me. Let us hope that through your patient explanations and diplomacy the Idaho Flapper will be satisfied and quit his whining and -like .Canuck for President!  | |||
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375 Ruger has similar ballitics to a H&H? Awesome, great!! We already knwo what the 375 H&H is capable of (great performance) so there is no real mstery...Can't ait to get soe brass and get that stainless Mdl 70 Action in my closet turned into a 375 Ruger! 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Yes, this is load data to hit 24" H&H velocities w/ a 20" Ruger. This is not max 375Ruger data, some of the loads are not even max for the H&H. I'm surprised no one has noted that a couple of the powders are so efficient(one in particular) in the 375Ruger that it will go 150fps faster out of a 20" bbl than the H&H can w/ a 24" bbl, but, this is w/ both using the same powder charge. Max load for the H&H, but not max for the Ruger. GVA | |||
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"20" vs 24" barrel Funny enough, DAN posted that the 375HH goes 2705fps (hornady Heavy mag) and then claims that a LARGER case "can't" go 2757... Let's see.. we are now comparing apples to blue... Or, perhaps, Dan could have stated this "wow, 375HH from a SHORT barrel... this is actually an amazing round" oh well.. earth to nostaligics, the 375 ruger works, and there's nothing WRONG with it opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Actually, JJ is the one who was pushing the concept of 250 fps more velocity at the same pressure as the 375 H&H. Perhaps it was my mistake to believe he was quoting accurately.  | |||
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Sorry I hit the wrong key and did not intend to put my name on another mans post. My hunting partner and I made up a cartridge very close to the .375 Ruger before we knew about the Ruger. We shortened the 375RUM case to 2.50 inches and it ended up holding 100 gr of water to the 101 for the Ruger.Used a Ruger m77 action a #5 conture barrel that finished up a little less than 26 inches. With v 140 powder and 300 gr bullets we just started to get signs of pressure at 2680 fps so backed off a little and 2650 is real without excess press. With the same powder and 250 gr bullets started to get press signs at 2925 fps so 2900 is a good stoping place. If you just had to have 3000 then maybe the 235 gr barns would do it or a little slower powder. Our intentions was not to replace the 375 H&H, but to duplicate or improve on it in a standard length action. I am sure that was the thinking at Ruger also. There are a lot more actions out there that the working man can find and afford for this cat that ones that will handle the H&H. Jim | |||
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What I see in the Ruger is a really neat copy of the .375 on a standard action and it has no belt. Lots of folks have spent half their life bashing the belt for some reason unknown to me or at least unproved to me.Well now you have it, be greatfull. Its a very well designed case and will set all the "wildcatters" on fire, after all these years they have a toy to play with, something they have been missing, no more duplicating someone elses project. As for a hunting rifle it duplicates one of the great all time calibers, the 375 H&H, and someone once said that duplication is the highest form of flattery or something like that. I like the case, it has lots of possibility up and down the caliber range even if we don't need any more calibers, but then if that were true we would all be shooting the 30-06. The last thing the .375 H&H or Ruger needs is more velocity. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Exactly! Would I sell a 375 H&H I liked to get a Ruger? Absoltuely not! But since I don't have a 375 right now, the Ruger is appealing. | |||
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Sorry Guys but I just can't get excited about the .375 Ruger. The old .375 H&H does just fine and I can't see any benefit in the .375 Ruger.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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- the 205FPS over 375HH that dan posited, means JJ is saying 45 FPS more than dan. PII opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Soooooo, What we have here is a standard-length case, with no belt, that equals with a 20-inch barrel what my H&Hs obtain with 24-inch barrels. Couple that with the Hoague condom stock and you just might have the best Alaskan big bear rifle ever built. But I'm not planning a trip to Alaska anytime soon, so I'll pass. | |||
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Fair enough. I must have missed that, but its likely I missed a lot of discussion on this. I want to reiterate that I am NOT trying to take a side in a fight or anything remotely like that....I found myself with a little time on my hands and an interest in the 375 Ruger and honestly couldn't figure out what people were still arguing about. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Wow the load data is really interesting. I use W760 in my Sako H&H with 24 inch barrel & I need 83gr of 760 to get 2700fps with the 270gr Hornady. I read that the 375 Ruger has about 8% more case capacity so maybe the chambers are cut quite tight to get those velocities with a lower powder charge. I know H&H chambers tend to be very generous. Regards JohnT | |||
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Yep, I have a 375 H&H and don't plan on buying a Ruger but I can see that this is a nice design and I can understand why people like it. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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funny, it seems to be "okay" if SOME people get 50fps over book, but not others? let's have some sanity around it and act like adults... FIFTY fps faster than the fastest 375 loads, per Dan
opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I don't see what all the fuss is about either. The old .375 Taylor (375/338) can do anything the H&H can do in a std (06 length) action and has for many years. Apparently can do about anything the 375 ruger can, as well. I just chrono'd one last week that I built for a customer on a Ruger (tang safety) action. 300 gr Barnes solid, 67 gr 4064 @ avg 2660 fps. 24" Douglas bbl. No signs of pressure & sub-MOA groups. Of course they'll sell some of them, but I don't think it's lived up to all the hype. There are those (magnum mentalities) who'd sell their soul for another 50 FPS, but in the end it doesn't really mean a thing. "You can lead a horticulture, ... but you can't make 'er think" Florida Gardener | |||
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