Not that this applies to me right now but was just wondering.
After reading old posts I never got a specfic answer to this question.

If a .458Lott is loaded to .458Win velocities i.e... 2150 FPS do they recoil about the same?
In the same gun.

I would guess the Lott would recoil a little bit more because of slightly more powder.But it would at lower pressure.

Would recoil be much more? Or would it even be noticeable?

Allen

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I would guess the Lott would recoil a little bit more because of slightly more powder.

BINGO

Keith

Would it be enough more to really notice?

Allen

2150 to 2300 is a very noticable difference with the same bullet, gun, etc

I was meaning the differance between a.458Win Mag at 2150fps VS a Lott at 2150fps.
Same gun same bullet.Just working at lower pressures for same velocity.

Will the Lott recoil much more?

The Lott would use a little more powder to get the same velocity, correct? Because of bigger case?
And more recoil, just burning more powder
even at the same velocity? Or is it not enough powder increase to make a differance? At the same velocity.

Allen

Allen,
if you are shooting a LOTT at 2150 and 2300, you will have a fairly nice difference in recoil, just due to vel and powder.
Now, there is some discussion of the effect of pressure on recoil, all else being equal.

Is a lott at 2150 going to kick more than a winmag at 2150, assuming identical reloading practice? some...

is a lott going to kick more at 2300 than 2150? YES

Allen,
The difference in recoil would be neglible if the same bullets (500gr) are propelled at the same velocity, out of the same rifle (ie. barrel length and weight), even if the Lott cartridge had a little more powder than the WM case.
Richard Harland.

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Originally posted by Harland:
Allen,
The difference in recoil would be neglible if the same bullets (500gr) are propelled at the same velocity, out of the same rifle (ie. barrel length and weight), even if the Lott cartridge had a little more powder than the WM case.
Richard Harland.

Agreed! Nice to see you posting on AR Mr. Harland! I talked to you a few minutes at the 2006 DSC show, when I told you I also had a Mannlicher Shoenauer 458 Win Mag! Smooth! I'm sure I speak for most here, when I say I'd like to see more posts from you here! There are a lot of young kids that read here, who could benefit from your experience!

............Good hunting!

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There are a lot of young kids that read here, who could benefit from your experience!

Mac is, of course, referring to anyone under the age of 65...

Crony Manion is of looking to cronies like Mac D37 for input.

I converted my 458 to a Lott,Whitworth, cant tell the difference in recoil after I stop seeing stars! Seriously, though, with proper recoil pads, shooting in the field, i see no difference

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Originally posted by AllenBosely:
Not that this applies to me right now but was just wondering.
After reading old posts I never got a specfic answer to this question.

If a .458Lott is loaded to .458Win velocities i.e... 2150 FPS do they recoil about the same?
In the same gun.

I would guess the Lott would recoil a little bit more because of slightly more powder.But it would at lower pressure.

Would recoil be much more? Or would it even be noticeable?

Allen

I am one of those young kids, mr harland, so keep posting!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Harland:
Allen,
The difference in recoil would be neglible if the same bullets (500gr) are propelled at the same velocity, out of the same rifle (ie. barrel length and weight), even if the Lott cartridge had a little more powder than the WM case.
Richard Harland.

Agreed! Nice to see you posting on AR Mr. Harland! I talked to you a few minutes at the 2006 DSC show, when I told you I also had a Mannlicher Shoenauer 458 Win Mag! Smooth! I'm sure I speak for most here, when I say I'd like to see more posts from you here! There are a lot of young kids that read here, who could benefit from your experience!

............Good hunting!

20% larger case, will need 10-15% more powder... well, perhaps for some this is a small difference.. when you practice and train with your rifle to the point that recoil is no longer impacting your shooting, you will CERTAINLY notice the difference ... not noticing 5 grains more powder to get to the same velocities is more recoil, period. If its within one's sensitivity level is a question of subjective perception, that it is different is measurable

With my CZ 550 458 Lott American Safari I get with the 500 gr bullet going 2280 FPS 74 Ft Lbs
of recoil witch isn't bad to me.

With the 458 Win I beleave it gives recoil in the 55's FT LB With the same bullet going about 2100 fps
But you feel it more.

Can't say for the 45s but the Rigby kicks a lot more with 400s at 2400 than the Rem. Mag at 2400. Big difference in case size but more powder equals more recoil. 338 vs. 340

Agreed! Nice to see you posting on AR Mr. Harland! I talked to you a few minutes at the 2006 DSC show, when I told you I also had a Mannlicher Shoenauer 458 Win Mag! Smooth! I'm sure I speak for most here, when I say I'd like to see more posts from you here! There are a lot of young kids that read here, who could benefit from your experience!

MacD37,
Thank you, I learn and enjoy plenty when browsing the AR forum. I seem to have a bit of magnetic problems with the Big Bore, African Hunting Reports and DVD/Book sections, so still have a long way to go! Anyway, it's great to be a small part of a wonderful band of weapons experts, humorists and experienced hunters.

Indlovu,
Methinks thou art one of said '60-year-old' kids? Hell, we all are when it comes to shared passions - no, I won't expand on that!.

Richard

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Originally posted by Buliwyf:
Crony Manion is of looking to cronies like Mac D37 for input.

Drinking again I see.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

See for yourself:

http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/recoil/recoil.html

The reason I loaded my Lott to 2150 was because if recoiled a lot less than it did at 2350 FPS, it was the same as a 458 Win loaded at 2150 and pressure was much less..I think the beauty of the Lott is not its power but its ability to shoot 500 gr. bullets at a true 2100 or so, and do so without powder compaction or pressure that plagues the standard .458, it only makes since to me and you can still shoot std. 458 ammo if need be. Shooting .458 Win. in the Lott will not damage the throat of the rifle with the low velocity loads of the big bores, like it might with high intensity rounds, at least it has not damanged any of the Lotts I have owned. I am pretty well convienced that one cannot shoot the barrel out of a big bore rifle that keeps velocity around 2400 and under.

Probably relative to the difference between the 416 remy and the 416 rigby. There will be a slightly higher felt recoil on paper for the lott, but it will be so small that the difference will be negligble.

At 2150 fps yes, but crank the Lott up to 2300 and there is a noticeable increase -- but you already knew that!!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
At 2150 fps yes, but crank the Lott up to 2300 and there is a noticeable increase -- but you already knew that!!

Only to echo that experience. And to add, powder selection will effect recoil. I decided to try VV N-550, as I had some on hand. Even with heavy compression in the Lott I couldn't best 2200 fps, but due to the burn rate and hence recoil pulse it had noteably more recoil than RL-15 at the same velocity.

Analog_penninsula- Cool website. I may or may not have spent the last hour messing around with that thing. Thanks for giving me something else to kill time with. Better than snood.

You all may be pleased I have at last seen a reason to ruin a classic .458WM, and drill it out to .458 Lott.

Even considering that for a lot of people the Lott will be a lot of extra recoil they don't need or can handle.

Why now, if you do it, and one day run out of ammo, you can always use Lott stuff instead.
Now that could be handy.