Has anyone ever seen a left handed 500 Jeffrey out and about?

Interested in locating one.

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Originally posted by GOB:
Has anyone ever seen a left handed 500 Jeffrey out and about?

Interested in locating one.

I had one on a Weatherby LH that Champlin sold for me a few yeas ago. Plain using type. They coyuld probably look up who they sold it to if you wanted to try to track it.

I have one but not for sale I'm afraid





Mine is built on a LH Weatherby action and was made to my own measurements & specification by Sabi Rifles in Nelspruit RSA.

Spec is: 19 inch heavy barrel, fibre optic foresight,shallow vee rearsight, mercury tube recoil arrestor, extended magazine (made later by my friend Peter Lang in Wales)..... and as you can see, she's been worked hard and had a tough life.......... shoots and balances like a dream though.

Are you looking for one built by Wm. Jeffery, or one built by some other gunsmith?

AHR may be able to build a .500 Jeffery on a LH CZ 550 .375.

If it doesn't have to be .500 Jeffery, the .500 A-Square, .495 A-Square, .500 AccRel, and .500 Mbogo are other viable options for a lefty with cash.

There is some excellent information here, and here thanks to one of our fellow AR members, .470Mbogo and jeffeosso.

George

Thanks so much for your kind reply. We have a friend an he is ex NFL very big ol guy in perfect shape. We have a LH Dakota action and are aboy to de the deal. Just wantedto know how they hold up.

FWIW, One common complaint with the 500J is that some actions seem to have a problem feeding..... Mine feeds perfectly and I reckon that's due to it being a single stack magazine and going away from the single stack mag seems to often cause the problem.

There is another 500 LH Jeffery floating around--because it use to be mine.. Its light. Fed just fine mine was a single stack also.

Tip Burns at www.canyonsportingarms.com built mine, he does most on a single stack.

Make it weigh enough...9lbs is too light!

Ed

FWIW, mine weighs 6 kgs unloaded and I don't consider that overheavy for calibre...... and IMO, the mercury tube recoil arrestor is worth it's weight in gold.

6Kg's is 13 lbs-- thats about right--world of difference between 9lbs and 11.5 in a rifle of this class!

Ed

Absolutely! The justification for a light rifle is that "you carry it a lot more than you shoot it." Baloney! If you think it's too heavy to carry, spend more time at the gym--or choose a lighter caliber. There's no sense building a 'carrying' rifle that kicks you so hard you can't shoot it when things go south.

A couple pounds off your ass has about the same effect as a couple pounds off the rifle. That's a lot of gun though!

You guys can say what you want about heavy rifles. We were in Moz two years ago in October. On the coast, hot and humid. I am from Florida so the weather was what I was used to. My hunting buddies are from N. AZ. One of the guys was carrying a 12.5lb .505. After about three days of non stop walking, he wished he was carrying my 9lb .404. The worse thing was that the .505 would still loosen your teeth, even off sticks.

I like the idea of a Wby MK V with straight stack magazine for the 500 Jeffery.
I have a spare .510 barrel,
a 30-378 Mk V Synthetic donor rifle,
and a set of 500 Jeffery reloading dies ... hmmm ...

All I need is a "Rifle Loon Moment," and the Mk V extended magazine,
chamber reamer,
brass,
and a willing gunsmith.

500 Jeffery rim diameter = .575, base = .619"
460 WbyMag rim = .579", belt = .604"

Will a 460 Wby Mk V "factory" extended magazine (3-down instead of only 2) and bolt face make do for a 500 Jeffery?

Best source for finding that magazine box?
Sumbuddy who know?

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
A couple pounds off your ass has about the same effect as a couple pounds off the rifle. That's a lot of gun though!

actually, no, it won't -- no change to physical properties of the rifle.. and losing 20# won't make a 11# PIG any lighter

however, some of us are experienced enough to know that anything over 9.5 isn't really a hunting rifle

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
A couple pounds off your ass has about the same effect as a couple pounds off the rifle. That's a lot of gun though!

actually, no, it won't -- no change to physical properties of the rifle.. and losing 20# won't make a 11# PIG any lighter

however, some of us are experienced enough to know that anything over 9.5 isn't really a hunting rifle

My 12.7x68mm MT rifle weights, bare/unloaded/dry:
#1, M70 Winchester = 9 lbs. 3 oz.
#2, BRNO ZKK 602 = 9 lbs. 4 oz.

Removing the thread protector from the muzzle and installing the Vais Brake makes #2 weigh 9 lbs. 6 oz., still less than 9.5 lbs.

I reckon I have finally arrived.

12.7 X 68 mm Magnum Tornado aka
.492-Bore/.500-Caliber/.338 Lapua Magnum Improved of 2010 aka
49-10

500 Jeffery rim diameter = .575, base = .619"
460 WbyMag rim = .579", belt = .604"

Will a 460 Wby Mk V "factory" extended magazine (3-down instead of only 2) and bolt face make do for a 500 Jeffery?

Best source for finding that magazine box?
Sumbuddy who know?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
A couple pounds off your ass has about the same effect as a couple pounds off the rifle. That's a lot of gun though!

actually, no, it won't -- no change to physical properties of the rifle.. and losing 20# won't make a 11# PIG any lighter

however, some of us are experienced enough to know that anything over 9.5 isn't really a hunting rifle

Funny, I've carried my 10.25 lb .450 Rigby quite happily through the Zambezi swamps and sometimes I was crawling on my hands and knees. Reasonable physical condition is a marvelous thing.

Weatherby Custom Shop: 805.227.2600

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Originally posted by Oldsarge:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
A couple pounds off your ass has about the same effect as a couple pounds off the rifle. That's a lot of gun though!

actually, no, it won't -- no change to physical properties of the rifle.. and losing 20# won't make a 11# PIG any lighter

however, some of us are experienced enough to know that anything over 9.5 isn't really a hunting rifle

Funny, I've carried my 10.25 lb .450 Rigby quite happily through the Zambezi swamps and sometimes I was crawling on my hands and knees. Reasonable physical condition is a marvelous thing.

Yeh, I hope no one ever tells my 11 lb. Simson .470 DR it isn't a hunting rifle. It would break its heart...

Might make it mad . . .

Strikes me as darn funny to hear guys comparing their doubles to bolt guns.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

however, some of us are experienced enough to know that anything over 9.5 isn't really a hunting rifle

Interesting! All this time I though I was "hunting" with my 500NE at 10.5lbs.

Let's see, deer hunting is Texas is not really hunting. I learned that after joining AR. Now I learn that chasing ele's and buff with my double is not hunting. Go figure. I wonder what else isn't hunting.

Don't understand your comment about comparing doubles to bolts. Just commenting on your post about a rifle over 9.5lbs not being a hunting rifle. That's all!

Some of us have enough experience to know that "OUR WAY" isn't the "ONLY WAY".

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

however, some of us are experienced enough to know that anything over 9.5 isn't really a hunting rifle

Interesting!

i thought so

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
All this time I though I was "hunting" with my 500NE at 10.5lbs.

is that a 500 ne or a 500 jeffe? i don't recall a single english made 500 jeffe ... though down grading your esteem for a double rifle to compare it with a bolt gun is interesting, as well

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Let's see, deer hunting is Texas is not really hunting.

who said that, not i?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I learned that after joining AR.

again, not i

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Now I learn that chasing ele's and buff with my double is not hunting.

interesting, to use your phrase, as on will note the discussion is of a turnbolt 500 jeffe... your comparison of your double RIFLE to the turnbolt rifle is the subject at hand. you'll note i've not mentioned hunting game... merely that a pig of a *bolt gun if you need it that clearly) isn't a hunting RIFLE

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Go figure.

thanks, i'll pass, far too many made up, undocumented conjectures for me

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I wonder what else isn't hunting.

no one said what wasn't hint//

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Don't understand your comment about comparing doubles to bolts.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Just commenting on your post about a rifle over 9.5lbs not being a hunting rifle. That's all!

actually, what you did was attempt to infer i said jack about hunting style and game over an overweight turnbolt rifle

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Some of us have enough experience to know that "OUR WAY" isn't the "ONLY WAY".

interesting, again .. show me an english 500 jeffery double rifle, heck, or german, and i may rethink my comment. its rather difficult to have a double barrel the same weight, IN THE SAME CALIBER as a turnbolt gun... of which the 500 jeffe tends to be.. or single shot, as the rebatted rim makes it far harder to extract

a bolt gun, over 9.5#, even in my 550 express, is a PIG of a gun, and there's no amount of weight you can loose in your body to make that better...



but, if you are convinced you can makeup whatever rubbish you like to "prove" your point, by all means, go ahead on...

some of us are convinced that those dead set to be contrary have ways of convincing themselves of victory...

Shakari, is that wrist reinforced on your 500? That thing looks like it should have snapped on the third shot. Interesting shape to that stock. I presume to get it to point like a shotgun?

So Jeffie, are you saying that a 9.5 lbs bolt gun is different from a 9.5 lbs double? Kind of like 100 degrees in Texas is not as hot as 100 degrees in Africa?

Again, I don't care about the comparison of bolt to double. You said a gun that weighs more than 9.5 lbs isn't a "hunting" rifle. That's all. You didn't make any exception for bolt or double in your post! Beyond that, I'm not sure where your train of thought got sidetracked. I'm not sure why you are confused about my post as I clearly said 500NE, not Jeffery. I'm not really sure where you got on the "english made 500 Jeffery" tract either? Also, how is my response to your generic 9.5 lb rifle "down grading (my) esteem for a double rifle to compare it with a bolt gun"? I have quite a few bolt rifles as well as a couple of doubles. I love them all!! I don't seem to be as touchy about my "esteem" for my gun preferences as you are, but I could be wrong. I don't even know you, just trying to make sense of your response. Have you and Shootaway been spending time together lately?

The comments about what is or isn't hunting is just an extension of the observation that many AR experts have a tendency to describe anything that differs from their opinion as "not really hunting" as opposed to "different from my opinion". Implying that you have enough experience to know what is or isn't "a real hunting rifle (read, my way only, no room for difference of opinion)" instead of saying that you have enough experience to have learned what you prefer, is right in line with other experts opinions of "what is or isn't hunting" as is so often spewed forth on these pages.

I take it you don't like having your proclamations questioned as the last 2 sentences in your post makes it's obvious you have your panties in a wad over something. I somehow don't feel any real need to "prove" anything to you or convince myself of victory ( victory of what?). If you feel the need to prove something to me, be my guest. But it really isn't necessary!

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Originally posted by RIP:


Weatherby Custom Shop: 805.227.2600

Sumbuddy don't know?

I have ordered the 460 Wby "Drop Box" bottom metal from the Weatherby Custom Shop at above telephone number.
I reckon it can be modified to work with the 500 Jeffery,
Bend the sheet metal lips on front of the box to allow passage of 500 Jeffery.
Reinforce the front wall of the box with soldered-on steel, custom fit.
Rusty McGee of Hilltop Gun Shop comes to mind.
Charge is $155.00 from the "Custom Shop" for the parts.
This is nice for such debauchery as a 500 Jeffery,
short-necked, rebated-rimmed bastard that it is.
I already have the perfect load for it:



The above target was shot by me with a Sterling Davenport Mauser belonging to member lb404 (Leonard B.) near Tulsa, Oklahoma.

This was initial sighting in with iron sights, yet to be filed by Leonard.
I am going to finally build a 500 Jeffery.
But it is going to be on a Weatherby Mark V action.
Nothing could be more appropriate.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
So Jeffie, are you saying that a 9.5 lbs bolt gun is different from a 9.5 lbs double?

yep.. and so will nearly every double rifle owner.. there is.. well, two barrels to start with LOL

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Kind of like 100 degrees in Texas is not as hot as 100 degrees in Africa?

again, your words not mine...

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Again, I don't care about the comparison of bolt to double.

then why proclaim you own one? facts being our friend, these are entirely different platforms

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

You said a gun that weighs more than 9.5 lbs isn't a "hunting" rifle. That's all.

yep,, in regards to a 500 jeffery.. this is called topicality or antecedent reference.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

You didn't make any exception for bolt or double in your post!

nor did i include it

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Beyond that, I'm not sure where your train of thought got sidetracked.

let's see.. thread on 500 JEFFERY, not in the double rifle forum.. that you decided to take exception too, in regards to your DOUBLE rifle

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I'm not sure why you are confused about my post as I clearly said 500NE, not Jeffery.

Todd, nor sure how you read my posts.. your reference is to your 500NE... now shows me a 500 Jeffery DOUBLE rifle.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I'm not really sure where you got on the "english made 500 Jeffery" tract either?

double rifles is differnt... two barrels, generally two triggers... and what, less than 1% of people own them?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Also, how is my response to your generic 9.5 lb rifle "down grading (my) esteem for a double rifle to compare it with a bolt gun"?

because doubles is EXPENSIVE and in an entirely different class

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I have quite a few bolt rifles as well as a couple of doubles. I love them all!! I don't seem to be as touchy about my "esteem" for my gun preferences as you are, but I could be wrong.

was meant to pull you back on topic

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I don't even know you, just trying to make sense of your response. Have you and Shootaway been spending time together lately?

you ever seen george shoot? he's putting on a show here for his bad examples...

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
The comments about what is or isn't hunting is just an extension of the observation that many AR experts have a tendency to describe anything that differs from their opinion as "not really hunting" as opposed to "different from my opinion".

this is your conjecture on my statement, and a fallacy.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Implying that you have enough experience to know what is or isn't "a real hunting rifle (read, my way only, no room for difference of opinion)"

that's how you read it, fine. It was meant to say that the silliness of a 14# bolt gun is just that... and the guys so "afeared" of recoil would be better suited with a lighter rifle that they can handle and carry all day

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

instead of saying that you have enough experience to have learned what you prefer, is right in line with other experts opinions of "what is or isn't hunting" as is so often spewed forth on these pages.

this is your connect the dots, not mine.. your "anger" at this is actually between your ears, not words i said

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I take it you don't like having your proclamations questioned

your take on it.. you asked questions, i answered them. I take it you don't like being answered in the manner asked. think about it

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

as the last 2 sentences in your post makes it's obvious you have your panties in a wad over something.

not so much. just thorough. you taking exception to your CONJECTURE of what I said is exactly that.. YOURS

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I somehow don't feel any real need to "prove" anything to you or convince myself of victory ( victory of what?).

if you felt that way, in actuality, you wouldn't have replied. QED

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

If you feel the need to prove something to me, be my guest. But it really isn't necessary!

just trying to make certain I answer you thoroughly and in a fashion you might can digest. I may have missed the mark

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
So Jeffie, are you saying that a 9.5 lbs bolt gun is different from a 9.5 lbs double?

yep.. and so will nearly every double rifle owner.. there is.. well, two barrels to start with LOL

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Kind of like 100 degrees in Texas is not as hot as 100 degrees in Africa?

again, your words not mine...

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Again, I don't care about the comparison of bolt to double.

then why proclaim you own one? facts being our friend, these are entirely different platforms

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

You said a gun that weighs more than 9.5 lbs isn't a "hunting" rifle. That's all.

yep,, in regards to a 500 jeffery.. this is called topicality or antecedent reference.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

You didn't make any exception for bolt or double in your post!

nor did i include it

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Beyond that, I'm not sure where your train of thought got sidetracked.

let's see.. thread on 500 JEFFERY, not in the double rifle forum.. that you decided to take exception too, in regards to your DOUBLE rifle

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I'm not sure why you are confused about my post as I clearly said 500NE, not Jeffery.

Todd, nor sure how you read my posts.. your reference is to your 500NE... now shows me a 500 Jeffery DOUBLE rifle.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I'm not really sure where you got on the "english made 500 Jeffery" tract either?

double rifles is differnt... two barrels, generally two triggers... and what, less than 1% of people own them?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Also, how is my response to your generic 9.5 lb rifle "down grading (my) esteem for a double rifle to compare it with a bolt gun"?

because doubles is EXPENSIVE and in an entirely different class

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I have quite a few bolt rifles as well as a couple of doubles. I love them all!! I don't seem to be as touchy about my "esteem" for my gun preferences as you are, but I could be wrong.

was meant to pull you back on topic

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I don't even know you, just trying to make sense of your response. Have you and Shootaway been spending time together lately?

you ever seen george shoot? he's putting on a show here for his bad examples...

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
The comments about what is or isn't hunting is just an extension of the observation that many AR experts have a tendency to describe anything that differs from their opinion as "not really hunting" as opposed to "different from my opinion".

this is your conjecture on my statement, and a fallacy.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Implying that you have enough experience to know what is or isn't "a real hunting rifle (read, my way only, no room for difference of opinion)"

that's how you read it, fine. It was meant to say that the silliness of a 14# bolt gun is just that... and the guys so "afeared" of recoil would be better suited with a lighter rifle that they can handle and carry all day

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

instead of saying that you have enough experience to have learned what you prefer, is right in line with other experts opinions of "what is or isn't hunting" as is so often spewed forth on these pages.

this is your connect the dots, not mine.. your "anger" at this is actually between your ears, not words i said

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I take it you don't like having your proclamations questioned

your take on it.. you asked questions, i answered them. I take it you don't like being answered in the manner asked. think about it

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

as the last 2 sentences in your post makes it's obvious you have your panties in a wad over something.

not so much. just thorough. you taking exception to your CONJECTURE of what I said is exactly that.. YOURS

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

I somehow don't feel any real need to "prove" anything to you or convince myself of victory ( victory of what?).

if you felt that way, in actuality, you wouldn't have replied. QED

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

If you feel the need to prove something to me, be my guest. But it really isn't necessary!

just trying to make certain I answer you thoroughly and in a fashion you might can digest. I may have missed the mark

Wow, does the term "Mentally Unstable" ring a bell? Such a small comment to go completely unhinged!

But I must say, you have proven at least one thing to me:

Todd
For someone so dead set against "proclamations" as yourself, I wonder if you notice that you have already gone to name calling by inference? I have answered you, including unfounded specious "connections" that you have joined together in a rather rational, direct, and within your line of thought.

I guess your statement about " winning" (I chuckle every time I hear that word due to crazy Charlie's rants) was just a hollow statement, meant to be a preemptive gambit should I have had the gall to answer you, but I could be mistaken.

Is what it is. Ad homme tactics are merely a sign that the other party is exhausted on the matter. Sorry to have pushed you to the point that you would resort to name calling


I give up. You win

Jeff:

I credit you and Michael with getting me on the path to light and handy. My little .338 Ruger Compact Magnum with a 20 inch barrel is a joy to handle and shoot. So is my Browning BLR 450 Marlin. If I was building a 50 caliber today, I think I would pick your 500 AccRel over my 500 Jeffery. However, Todd makes some good points too. My .416 Rigby and .450 Dakota both weigh between 10 and 11 pounds. I wouldn't want them one once lighter. As you suggested, doubles tend to run heavier but my 500/416 K-gun weighs in at around 10.5 pounds. In a double, I think it represents the best compromise with between power and weight. I wouldn't hesitate to hunt with any of these guns or my 500 Jeffery or 470 NE both of which run over 11 pounds.

Ron, that was some mighty fine shooting with a 500 Jeffery especially at 107 degrees!

Dave, PM sent to you.