Hello,
Sure there have been discussions on the two calibers, but I have window of opportunity to choose one or the other for additional DG rifle and currently have the 375 H&H and 458 Win. Mag. The ability to use both the 458WM in the Lott has some appeal yet am told the 416 Rigby is equally powerful, can be loaded even stronger than the Lott and recoil is not as sharp?? Not sure how that works, but looking for experience info on the two loads and their performance?? All help appreciated.

Since you already have a 458WM, why not rechamber that rifle to 458 Lott? That coupled with a 375H&H would be a very hard combination to beat.

Myself, I prefer the lott over the rigby, for several reasons.. most of them related to bullet weight and penetration...

but, if you already have a 458 win..can you sell the win, and get BOTH the lott and the rigby?

jeffe

Two different ideas to go with here.

1. Buy the 416, that way you have added to your complement of DG rifles. Next a 404 Jeffery, then 470, 500 etc.

2. Being practical, sell the 458 and buy the Lott, or just buy the Lott. If you reload, it will save on extra reloading inventory. You can shoot the WM in the Lott if needed.

I can't say that too many of us on this website take the practical approach all the time.

I own a 375 H&H and a 416 Rigby.

I can't say that too many of us on this website take the practical approach ever.



analog_peninsula

It would be very difficult to say "that one is better than the other"

The Rigby .416 can shoot 500 grain Hawks out with 2250 Ft/sec and at the same time shoot 300grain spitzers 3000 Ft/sec..no sweat..
The rigby need a magnum length action to be
programmed, where the Lott does the same figures
in a standard lenght action.

The rigby has no belt..opposit for Lott.
The Lott has more frontal area in caliber than the Rigby.

The Lott can be loaded with 600 grain bullets
for pounding the heavist game at close range.

The .416 Rigby is very versatile in powders..everything from fast to slow bunning riflepowders works, i don`t think the .458 Lott
can bragg with that?.
The Lottowners can shoot with .458 Win ammo.
There are many more bullets to choose from in .458 cal + bulletsmolds , where the rigby comes short.
ballistic wise the Rigby has the edge over a longer range than the Lott.
I have a Rigby .416 cal and wouldn`t buy a Lott
, but I wouldn`t buy a 416 Rigby if I had a Lott

The Rigby is a great caliber but takes a back seat to the Lott on thump power. If your not hunting elephants in the thick jesse then it doesn't make much difference on dangerous game although the 416 is probably a better lion rifle. On buff the Lott will also give a little more thump but the Rigby has more than enough.


465H&H

The Lott is better than a Rigby but there ain't many guys around that could prove it to you.

The 375 is fine if just hunting buff or similar, the 416 is better, and so on. But the abuse the Lott dishes out is something to think about.

I use my .416 for PG. my .458 Lott for DG.

Get the Rigby and rechamber rhe .458. Two dirrerent guns for different perposes. The Lott wins hands down for DG, the Rigby is far more versatile for North American/plains game.

If you are numb to the recoil & your .458wm is a M70 or CZ, by al means rechamber to the Lott. It is a stomper for sure, at both ends I might add. I sold the M70 I had rechambered, just too much gun for me. I now have a .404j pushing 400gr bullets @ 2200fps, it's much more user friendly & a game stomper for sure.

Hello all,
Thanks for the input, and if my current 458 WM can be opened up, believe it can and waiting to hear for sure, believe I would opt for the 416 Rigby. I would use the current 375 Ruger for routine hunting, PG, and the Rigby for DG and the 458 Lott as it's back up. ( replacement in case of damage, loss, etc. to the 416) Whole idea is to have two rifles of same mfg., style, operating characteristics, etc. yet in different calibers to serve two distinct purposes. I am attempting to be in the position that other than balistics/trajectory, the two rifles will perform indentical in operation. Will attempt to scope both rifles with one quality scope and have memorized the performance of one caliber from the other one with the scope adjusted from one to the other one. That may or may not be a good idea, but when all comes together won't take long to find out.

Three rifles ar hard to travel with.

500grs is more effective than 400grs, but this is more important for elephant. For buff, imo, either is just dandy and so is a 375H&H, but more is better.

If you take two rifles with identical characteristics such as stock fit, safety, bolt throw..., a very good idea if you take two bolt rifles, take three scopes in QD mounts. One for your heavy rifle - assuming you use a scope for this rifle - one for your all rounder/back up and one just in case. At a minimum, take two that can be interchanged, even if it takes tools - which you should bring.

For all the supposed repeatability of QD scope mounts they are fine for buff but not for small stuff or leopard. Claw mounts would be exempt from the above statement, but they are expensive. Perhaps others have had better results from the typical American QD's but those I have tried go from a great sub 1" to a rectangle 3" long x 2" deep if I remove/ mount/shoot/... four or five times. Windage tends to be more of an issue than elevation.

My thoughts,

JPK

ok, build a 510Wells/510Kayser (same as Wells minus belt)/500M'bogo to go with your 375H&H and have the whole enchilada for the world.

Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
ok, build a 510Wells/510Kayser (same as Wells minus belt)/500M'bogo to go with your 375H&H and have the whole enchilada for the world.

Rich

Good.

A little better:

The ultimate in practical, portable, versatile firepower in a 2 gun combo:

1. .375 Weatherby (useful with .375 H&H ammo in a pinch).

2. 50 cal: Buhmiller/Wells/Kayser/A2/Peacekeeper/JAB/Mbogo

Any of those .510's is as practical as the others.

Recall our hero, the lucky bastard Lawyer who scored big one time and turned African PH in UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES?

He used a .375 Weatherby and a .510 Wells.

Hello JPK,
I agree with you that one scope for both rifles not a sound idea when so much is already invested, time, money, etc. Two scopes it will be and also as you mentioned, looking after three rifles is not a chore I would really want to do, but probably would not use a scope for the DGR or close in work if you will. Not planning on any elephants, but would like to go after fair sized Cape Buffalo plus numerous plains game.

Your remarks on the QD's is the same as my experience in shooting long range matches w/ optics for some matches give youi the option of switching and that you shoot two of the three strings, 20 rounds each, and then switch to scope option. I simply quit switching and shot the "irons" all the way for the windage was always off and with only two sighters at 1000 yards, you were way behind the power curve. First stage gave you unlimited sighters w/ 20 for record in 30 minutes so once you had it doped, you go for it. Decisions, decisions, "aint life grand??"

Driver,

For buff, a scoped rifle, with a low power scope, is probably more versitile. That said, I prefer open sights. I have one of the trackers carry the second rifle which has a scope. But I have passed on a shot or two on buff which I felt uncomfortable with with my DR and open sights, instead of switching off, which I had plenty of time to do. Dangerous game isn't the trill it should be if it isn't close. To me close enough on buff is say 30 or 40yds.

It sounds like you are better with open sights than I will ever be, so I think the big rifle with open sights only is the way to go. They are much better at spittin' distance and it sounds like you don't give up much at say 100yds - and that is further than I want to shoot a buff.

I would put bases on a heavy bolt rifle that are compatible with your scope on your "light" rifle - even if you would need tools - which you should bring, just for the unlikely possibility that your light rifle goes missing or tits up. This is belt and suspenders, but a scope is very useful for smaller game and picking your way through brush. Your buff will likely be the primary target and if you need to go to the scope on the big rifle, before or after your buff, it won't be any or much of a handicap. And if your light rifle is out of action, a re-sight in isn't too much of an issue.

On caliber choices, I would go with your favorite, plus the 375H&H. But any combo of the three is a winner. If it were my choice it would be a 458 Lott and a 375H&H. But ant combo would be great!

Again, my thoughts,

Best,

JPK

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Originally posted by driver:
Hello,
Sure there have been discussions on the two calibers, but I have window of opportunity to choose one or the other for additional DG rifle and currently have the 375 H&H and 458 Win. Mag. The ability to use both the 458WM in the Lott has some appeal yet am told the 416 Rigby is equally powerful, can be loaded even stronger than the Lott and recoil is not as sharp?? Not sure how that works, but looking for experience info on the two loads and their performance?? All help appreciated.

I recommend that you transform the 458 Winchester Magnum in a 458 Lott and you buy the 416 Rigby. I have a 375 H & H Magnum for a PG and I'm going to buy a 458 Lott DG I also have a 338 Winchester Magnum.

Best regards,

Oscar.

¡Go, I've noticed now, you have a rifle 375 H & H Magnum. In this case I think the 375 H & H Magnum serves well as a 416 Rigby, I will only recommend that you convert your 458 Winchester Magnum in a 458 Lott. You can hunt a buffalo with the 375 H & H Magnum with Woodleigh tip and 380 grains.

Best regards,

Oscar.

I would go for the Rigby myself.
Pondo taylor said it,s all the power anyone would ever need on any animal anyware.
Or somthing very close to that...tj3006

I always heard the 458 Lott and the 505 Gibbs were pretty much the same in killing power.

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I always heard the 458 Lott and the 505 Gibbs were pretty much the same in killing power

I if I were to crush an elephant prefer the 458 Lott to the 416 Rigby (transfer it to the rest of elephant).

Oscar.

Your Comparing Apples to Oranges.
Each has its own unique benefits and liabilities. Ask the question if you could only take ONE rifle you'd probably hear a 416 Rigby hands down. I own a 9.3RUM, 375H&H, 416 Rem Mag, 416 RSM Rigby, 458 Lott and a 500 Jeffery RSM. They all shoot great and I'm having a difficult time decided if I could live without one of them. I like to have two rifles that have some over lap and each its own benefits. If I every get to africa I'll take the 500 Jeffery and the 375 H&H just based on historical significance and they are nice looking blued wood stocked rifles. If I end up going bear hunting in Alaska I'll take my 416 Rem & 9.3 RUM both synthetic stocked 700's. For Elk I'll take my 325 WSM Kimber & 9.3 RUM. I feel comfortable shooting all of these guns well enough. Again right tool right job only you can make that call for yourself.

Brad

Dude, you have an excellent battery of rifles. I stay with my 338 WM, the 375 H & H Magnum and the 458 Lott and I think that it's not bad either battery. Perhaps in my view missing a 7 mm for long-distance shots, although I believe the 338 WM has no bad record.

Best regards,

Oscar.

Between the .458 Lott and the .416 Rigby go the .416 Rigby hands down don't look back! The .416 Rigby is a beautiful classic cartridge that is moden in its design with beautiful steep shoulder and incredible ballistic versatility. The only other option I would recommend is the 12.7x70 Schuler Jumbo/.500 Jeffery.

Nothing wrong with the win mag with today's powders. Why not save your money for a hunt? Just a suggestion.