A big-game hunting rifle (as opposed to a target or varmint rifle)that will shoot three carefully crafted handloads into an inch, or less, at 100 yds, consistently from a "dirty" barrel inspires confidence.

I have to agree with Michael about "cleaning" barrels... well, maybe NOT after 1000 rounds... but it is hyped and overdone IME.

We have days at the range that are awesome... sometimes "miserable" would be a more apt description. Today, I was somewhere between those extremes. But, I did manage to shoot a sub-MOA group of 3 at 100 for my last series.

That was from my hunting load in a dirty barrel on my HUNTING T3 in 9.3 X 62.

I agree, if my hunting loads in hunting rifles couldn't shoot better than I can, I'd ditch 'em!

I went to this page because I'd noticed 40 responses to SHOOTAWAY! I thought: "This should be interesting". When I saw the crumpled target with .458" holes scattered about, I said to myself, "Oh no... not again!"

Is he serious, or yanking our chain?

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

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Is he serious, or yanking our chain?

He's a strange mixture somewhere between total idiot, dumber than dog shit and socially inept.


He'd make a fine politician.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Being somewhat new to this forum, a few weeks ago, on another thread, I criticized LionHunter for "Bitch Slapping" ShootAway for a simple comment he made concerning bullet weights.

Now I understand. LionHunter, please accept my apologies.

HEH HEH HEH..................... I know Lionhunter appreciates that.

Shootaway? Always a good source of, "Entertainment".

LOL

Michael

It took a year for lionhunter to remove the front sight on his Ruger if he ever removed it at all(your typical B&M rifle owner).I wonder when he goes hunting if he shoots the game himself or has his PH do it for him.Micheal,seems like you never learned much from all those hunting vacations.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It took a year for lionhunter to remove the front sight on his Ruger if he ever removed it at all(your typical B&M rifle owner).I wonder when he goes hunting if he shoots the game himself or has his PH do it for him.Micheal,seems like you never learned much from all those hunting vacations.

I suppose so Shootwhichway, you have lost me, I don't get it?

Remove the front sight?

B&M Rifle Owner? All of which have NECG Barrel Band front sights, standard big flip up/down ivory bead for Dangerous Game??? Lost, don't get it.

Me, learn? What must I learn exactly?

I think you are going to have to elaborate some, as personally I obviously have a long way to go to get to your level of thinking?

M

By the way, Good Morning to ya Shoots!

Good morning,Michael!

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Originally posted by shootaway:
offhand at 50yds from a lott that shoots 2-4 inches off the bench.

Not trying to be combative, but I really hope you are joking......

I have several revolvers that'll shoot under an inch at 50 yards as long as I do my part. This is a 1/4-inch 3-shot group another forum member shot with my BFR revolver in .500 JRH off the bench.



At 2 to 4 inches, you've either destroyed the barrel with your incessant cleaning regimen or you need to get back in there and redevelop your loads.

Has anyone ever meet Shootaway in person?? Or is he someones alter ego!!!! Clint

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Originally posted by clintsfolly:
Has anyone ever meet Shootaway in person?? Or is he someones alter ego!!!! Clint

He's a real guy. I've twice hunted with the same PH he shot his Buffalo with.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
offhand at 50yds from a lott that shoots 2-4 inches off the bench.

Funny all of my .458 lott's, .470 NE's,and all of my buddies heavy rifles including a smattering of big .45's and few .50's and over .50's all shoot under an inch at 50 yards from a bench.

I'm guessing we are just not using the correct shooteverywhere technique?

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
offhand at 50yds from a lott that shoots 2-4 inches off the bench.

Funny all of my .458 lott's, .470 NE's,and all of my buddies heavy rifles including a smattering of big .45's and few .50's and over .50's all shoot under an inch at 50 yards from a bench.

I'm guessing we are just not using the correct shooteverywhere technique?

No,that's because you and all your freinds buy rifles just to look at.

Shootaway- At 50 yrds I shoot my Bow better than you shoot that rifle. Yes REALLY! Your stock screws must be loose or your shooting Helmet is on too tight again! That target tells me your "screws are loose"-Rob

Stock screws especially the one under the action recoil lug needs to be tightened so that it will never loosten.I am confident that with this new shooting stance and holding position that very soon you will see some impressive targets.It looks alot like the way highpower shooters position their butt on the shoulder(very high) and use one arm always up against the front of the chest but in this case using the hand against the trigger guard like a sling to push the rifle against the shoulder.It's amazing how this method has the rifle shooting the way it does off the bench.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Being somewhat new to this forum, a few weeks ago, on another thread, I criticized LionHunter for "Bitch Slapping" ShootAway for a simple comment he made concerning bullet weights.

Now I understand. LionHunter, please accept my apologies.

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I'm guessing we are just not using the correct shooteverywhere technique?

OMG I laughed so hard I cried.

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Originally posted by steph123:
Shootaway really that shooting sucks! By the way, to me it looks like you are shooting at 25 yds/meters not 50! I am just a girl of 120 pounds and can shoot better than that, albeit I limit myself to the "wimpy" 458 Win mag.

Ladyslapped!
Shootaway...
I think you have been challenged to a shoot off.

Here in Vegas the odds are 3:1 favoring Steph123. The smart money is not on Shootaway. I got a hundred that says shootaway chokes the chicken and Steph123 takes the match-Rob

Shootaway, here is my 50 yard group with a 458 Win mag. Load is a 500gr Hornady at about 2080 fps, which is a max load with my 22" barrel.



I think you need to keep practicing.

I just read this post from the start to finish and I have to say wow,I laughed my ass off. Shootaway Good luck

Steph123, dam good shooting, wish my groups looked that good all the time

Matt

Not a BIG bore but for me that was an awesome experience - quick fire.

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Originally posted by steph123:
Shootaway, here is my 50 yard group with a 458 Win mag. Load is a 500gr Hornady at about 2080 fps, which is a max load with my 22" barrel.



I think you need to keep practicing.

Good shooting and even better if you use Shootaway's calculations which would put that at a quarter inch or so..

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Originally posted by steph123:
Shootaway, here is my 50 yard group with a 458 Win mag. Load is a 500gr Hornady at about 2080 fps, which is a max load with my 22" barrel.



I think you need to keep practicing.

Excelent group. My Ceska has 25 inches of barrell.

Ovny.

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Originally posted by Deon:

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Originally posted by steph123:
Shootaway, here is my 50 yard group with a 458 Win mag. Load is a 500gr Hornady at about 2080 fps, which is a max load with my 22" barrel.



I think you need to keep practicing.

Good shooting and even better if you use Shootaway's calculations which would put that at a quarter inch or so..

There is no mention if this group was shot offhand and using iron sights.I doubt it was and this is pure bullshit,especially from someone weighing 120 pounds.Let's see a video with you and the target in it.We don't have to shoot in a real match for you to win.A simple video will do.

Shootaway

Why on earth should she use iron sights? would it be better to use a muzzleloader also? Perhaps some shoot better with a scope.

As near as can be see you have never proved anything with your videos.

Please be more polite to a lady. thats bad manners you are using.

SSR

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Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
Here in Vegas the odds are 3:1 favoring Steph123. The smart money is not on Shootaway. I got a hundred that says shootaway chokes the chicken and Steph123 takes the match-Rob

Looks like Steph123 has all ready won the match based on her targets. But shooteverywhichway is all ready laying out excuses and crap. Based on shooteverywhichway's targets I see he has still not fixed that flinching problem of his, oh sorry per him it is the gun's fault.

Shootaway/ Flinchie- Your way way out of your league with Steph123. Apologize and kneel down to her. You don't stand a chance against her.
You should give up Big Bore shooting and go back to .22LR till your flinch goes away.
Just Admit Total Abject DEFEAT and rejoin us when your worthy! Like in 20 YEARS or so.-Rob

Put me in the skeptical camp regarding the target Steph123 posted having been shot offhand and standing, at 50 yards, with a .458 Win Mag with open sights.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Put me in the skeptical camp regarding the target Steph123 posted having been shot offhand and standing, at 50 yards, with a .458 Win Mag with open sights.

Thanks Mike.Your ele charge video has to be one of the greatest hunting moments ever captured on video!

Shoot, we really, reeeally want to see a video of the new technique. It sounds like we might learn something.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Put me in the skeptical camp regarding the target Steph123 posted having been shot offhand and standing, at 50 yards, with a .458 Win Mag with open sights.

I repeat

Why open sights? no one is stopping shooty from scoping his rifles-tech matters.

SSR

I have nothing against scopes. However, if someone is trying to make an apples-to-apples comparison of two targets, who would argue that it is reasonable to compare a target shot off the bench at 25 yards with a scope to a target shot standing up, offhand, with open sights at 50 yards? Just like it would unfair to take a target shot by a double rifle shooter at 100 yards open sights and compare it to target shot by a benchrest shooter at 100 yards with a scope. Let's just make sure we are comparing items that are comparable. Perhaps the target posted by Steph123 was shot with a .458 WM, offhand, standing at 50 yards with open sights, but I am going to take the under on that bet.

I didn't realize I needed to use iron sights. That group was shot using a 1X4 power Leupold scope. My rifle doesn't have iron sights anyway.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Shoot, we really, reeeally want to see a video of the new technique. It sounds like we might learn something.

It will be a pleasure for me to show you it once I make it.I should have it ready in a couple of weeks or so.I am shooting the Lott less often lately.I am getting tired of the punishment.Eventually I am just going to shoot it when I go hunting.I have given in two 308's for rebarrel and it looks like the work is progressing.The guy who is doing the work I believe is from New Zealand and living in BC Canada.We are going to use Canadian Barrels made by Gaillard.I'll be able to shoot every week or two with the 308.

Sights be damned
50 yards offhand
5 shots
5 seconds
What do you say?

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Originally posted by MJines:
I have nothing against scopes. However, if someone is trying to make an apples-to-apples comparison of two targets, who would argue that it is reasonable to compare a target shot off the bench at 25 yards with a scope to a target shot standing up, offhand, with open sights at 50 yards? Just like it would unfair to take a target shot by a double rifle shooter at 100 yards open sights and compare it to target shot by a benchrest shooter at 100 yards with a scope. Let's just make sure we are comparing items that are comparable. Perhaps the target posted by Steph123 was shot with a .458 WM, offhand, standing at 50 yards with open sights, but I am going to take the under on that bet.

mumbles and mutters--

off hand at 50 is off hand at 50--if you refuse to use better equiptment then thats your problem.

Something to do with making the best most humane shot I believe (good sportsmanship and hunting ethics) or would you feel better if no sights were used? Thats how the first guns were made.

SSR

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Originally posted by Cross L:

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Originally posted by MJines:
I have nothing against scopes. However, if someone is trying to make an apples-to-apples comparison of two targets, who would argue that it is reasonable to compare a target shot off the bench at 25 yards with a scope to a target shot standing up, offhand, with open sights at 50 yards? Just like it would unfair to take a target shot by a double rifle shooter at 100 yards open sights and compare it to target shot by a benchrest shooter at 100 yards with a scope. Let's just make sure we are comparing items that are comparable. Perhaps the target posted by Steph123 was shot with a .458 WM, offhand, standing at 50 yards with open sights, but I am going to take the under on that bet.

mumbles and mutters--

off hand at 50 is off hand at 50--if you refuse to use better equiptment then thats your problem.

Something to do with making the best most humane shot I believe (good sportsmanship and hunting ethics) or would you feel better if no sights were used? Thats how the first guns were made.

SSR

I don't think that group was even shot offhand.I'll let steph shoot with her scope off the bench and I think I'll still shoot better than her offhand using iron shots.

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I don't think that group was even shot offhand.I'll let steph shoot with her scope off the bench and I think I'll still shoot better than her offhand using iron shots.

I think we have a challenge here.
Go Steph!

Sorry guys but GIVE ME A BREAK. IF you can't shoot a 2" group at 50 yards offhand standing you really don't know how to shoot. Period END of Discussion, Period. Stop making excuses and BSing us. scope no scope at 50 yards WHO CARES? It doesn't make any big difference. jeez, this is getting plain stupid! Anything to do with Shootaway is Just Stupid!Shootaway is a moron with no freakin training and too stupid to get any. You wonder why he can't shoot? it's because he's too stupid to admit he needs training and won't get any. You get a good shooting coach who knows how to teach people and you'll be amazed at what can be done. any of you ever even see a competition rifle match? worth watching! Who wants to watch videos of a asshole embrassing themselves? Im outta this thread!-Rob