OK folks not the rifle for the purists,

but components will be;

Manners stock with carbon fibre upgrade, suregeon 1086 long action (yes its a push feed !!), Kreiger fluted barrel finished at 20 or 21"

should be a nice rig !! Will post pics when its done !! My action is en-route and my barrel has arrived.

I sold my cz .416 Rigby to finance this and to put together a more compact .416 rifle.

I really like surgeon actions the pick of the push feeds IMHO, has integral mounting (piccatinny rail carved into action) Oversize bolt knob for easy operation, one piece bolt and the model 1086 uses an M16 extracter set up.

energy figures around 5-6K?

Maybe closer to 4500-5000 with 410 gr woodleighs at 2300 fps

Why not a McMillan G30 CRF action, with the 3-position safety?

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmil...s-actions-g30crf.php

KB

Rather than waste money ... I'd just buy a Ruger Alaskan and upgrade the stock.
Cheers...
Con

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Originally posted by Con:
Rather than waste money ... I'd just buy a Ruger Alaskan and upgrade the stock.
Cheers...
Con

Con in general I find rugers to be of poor fit and finish and hit and miss for accuracy. It's not a waste of money as the jump in quality is reflective of the price.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Why not a McMillan G30 CRF action, with the 3-position safety?

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmil...s-actions-g30crf.php

KB

I prefer surgeons and have a couple of rifles built on them, that's why I went that way.

I know and appreciate personal preference. I think the Suregeons and most of the 700 clones are awesome. I just look at the pictures of the McMillan G30 CRF, and think they got it right, if you're gonna go with a 700 clone.

I was trying to stir a little input from others regarding their opinion, and experience.

I'm sure that your 416 will meet your expectations.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I know and appreciate personal preference. I think the Suregeons and most of the 700 clones are awesome. I just look at the pictures of the McMillan G30 CRF, and think they got it right, if you're gonna go with a 700 clone.

I was trying to stir a little input from others regarding their opinion, and experience.

I'm sure that your 416 will meet your expectations.

KB

kb it's a nice action for sure, generally I think people on ar will despise this build due to no crf. I like the integral bases and bolt handle on the surgeons they also have an integral lug as well there bomb proof IMHO and manners stocks are awsome and very stiff

I don't know about the despise issue. I for one am very envious.

Also, I don't know what to think about the integral base. My first impression is that it doesn't need to extend over the loading/ejection port. I could put up with it on a 308, but without seeing it and testing it, I would have concerns about it on a DGR.

The bolt handle looks fine.

The integral lug is a plus.

The only really good fiberglass stocks that I'm familiar with are McMillans. I agree with you - the stock on a project is essentially a make or break deal. It has to be satisfactory. Since I don't have a broad reference point on other quality stocks, I would be satisfied with a McMillan for a project like this.

I've though about it several times - about a .308 build on an action similar to the Suregeon. I haven't made the leap yet, because there are too many decisions and choices. I'm still thinking about it.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I don't know about the despise issue. I for one am very envious.

Also, I don't know what to think about the integral base. My first impression is that it doesn't need to extend over the loading/ejection port. I could put up with it on a 308, but without seeing it and testing it, I would have concerns about it on a DGR.

The bolt handle looks fine.

The integral lug is a plus.



The only really good fiberglass stocks that I'm familiar with are McMillans. I agree with you - the stock on a project is essentially a make or break deal. It has to be satisfactory. Since I don't have a broad reference point on other quality stocks, I would be satisfied with a McMillan for a project like this.

I've though about it several times - about a .308 build on an action similar to the Suregeon. I haven't made the leap yet, because there are too many decisions and choices. I'm still thinking about it.

KB

kb manners stocks IMHO are superior to McMillan. There a lot stiffer and can be ordered with a 90% carbon fibre upgrade. I've owned both and now have several manners stocks. Go fir it on the .308 build, I'm having a .308 put together in compact format using same compnents as the .416. I also have a heavy 6.5x47 lap done in a manners t4a and surgeon 591 with heavy Lilia it shoots bug holes. Surgeon actions are very nice. I will report on the rail over the ejection and give an objective view on it in the .416. My other rigs on surgeons are box mag fed.

PC,
I went to the Manners web page, and looked at the hunter stocks. I can see why you like them. I am somewhat surprised that I didn't already know something about these stocks. I try to keep informed. I especially like the looks and contour of the ultralight hunter. The price ain't bad either for a top quality fiberglass stock.

This whole subject of the 700 clones, and all the possibilities with that, is something worth studying on, IMO. I liked what you said about the 6.5x47 Lapua - bug holes. Yes sir. I'm going to study on this some more.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
PC,
I went to the Manners web page, and looked at the hunter stocks. I can see why you like them. I am somewhat surprised that I didn't already know something about these stocks. I try to keep informed. I especially like the looks and contour of the ultralight hunter. The price ain't bad either for a top quality fiberglass stock.

This whole subject of the 700 clones, and all the possibilities with that, is something worth studying on, IMO. I liked what you said about the 6.5x47 Lapua - bug holes. Yes sir. I'm going to study on this some more.

KB

kb any questions on the 6.5x47 lap just ask me. I use a mild load of 36 gr of varget behind the 130 gr Berger. I have shot a fallow stag at 300 yards with this load and it performed well. I have also a fair bit of vermin with this load out to just under 500 yards and it worked impressively. Out to 1000 yards it smokes .308 as far as drop and wind drift goes and it fits in an ai mag and allows seating the long Berger at the neck shoulder junction

nearly got my 416 done, mine has a 22 inch obermyer barrel.....dont go to short on the barrel....start at 24 and go down an inch at a time and just fine tune the balance
Daniel

sounds fun, PC -- the 416s tend to be extremly accurqte, in and of themselves .. building an accurqte chassis for it should be nice

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

I've though about it several times - about a .308 build on an action similar to the Suregeon. I haven't made the leap yet, because there are too many decisions and choices. I'm still thinking about it.

KB

While not a hunting rifle, the FN A3G is a heck of a lot of rifle for the money. Factory support is awesome but, with a chrome lined bore my grand (or great grand) kids might be the only ones to ever needed it. I've got another similar rifle in a Surgeon action and it's a tack driver too.

Unless you want something pretty custom, there are some really great complete factory rifles with McMillan stocks that can be found under $2K.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
sounds fun, PC -- the 416s tend to be extremly accurqte, in and of themselves .. building an accurqte chassis for it should be nice

Jeffo,

I found I was not taking my cz 550 .416 sometimes due to being a tad heavy. I love the .416 cal and I though this set up would make a really nice out fit. when its done I will post some pics.

My mate has already finished his on a Stiller Long action (he prefers stiller over surgeon) its a tack driver with woodleigh 410's out othe kreiger tube, he opted for 20" barrel I am tempted to go 22". It also feeds and ejects flawlessly.

Every time I go into this mental exercise, I basically end up in approximately the same place. I'll try to keep it simple. The truth is that despite the fact that I like the thought of a precision and very accurate rifle, I can actually use just so much accuracy - in the field conditions that I frequent. The longest shot that I can imagine is perhaps 300 yds. It would be nice to shoot 3" groups at that distance, but the fact is that I never shoot that far, and I've never been able to shoot groups that accurately. The kinds of rifles talked about here may be able to come close to that, with the right guy behind the trigger.

I have several rifles now that I need to get out to the 300 yd range and just see what's possible.

Another thing, looking at that FN / Winchester action - I have an older Winchester 70 short action, push feed, which already has the main features that I like - good trigger, intregal recoil lug, 3-position safety, all steel, with floorplate rather than DBM. I really have no problem with a push feed for this type of rifle - 308. Fact is I also have a nice looking Accurate Innovations walnut stock, and Williams bottom metal with the in-the-bow floorplate release, and a new .308 CM Shilen #3 barrel blank 10" twist.

I probably need to quit dreaming about something new, when I probably already have the stuff needed. I just need to have it put together.

KB