I've never looked forward to cleaning guns but carried on anyhow out of neccesity. I just tried a barrel cleaning product that is a spray in foam and was very impressed with the results. It takes out copper etc without any odour. Spray it in wait ten minutes and dry patch it out. One gun was fouled quite heavily with copper and it was just a matter of leaving it in for a longer period,patching it out and if color still showed just spray it in again. They have a website along with some other lube and cleaning product for firearms at www.paulcousa.com. It sure makes life easier for the drab job.
470 Mbogo

Where do you purchase these products?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ken
Hi Ken
You can order it right from their website.

470 Mbogo

Thanks 470,
I ordered a couple of cans this morning. I'll get back to you and compare notes.

Regards ... N

Gee, if this stuff is as good as the ads say, a feller could go back to using X-Bullets again . . . if he wanted to, that is.

Sarge

I got my first can after the stuff was recommended by Doug Shilen. He said "Wipe-Out was not B.S. I won't use anything else. I have thrown my brushes away. They said it was brushless..........and they are right.

RoyBaddy - Welcome to the Forum! I'd greatly appreciate any tips you might have in regard to its' use/misuse.

There are several similar products on the market that all seem to work very well on bores that are extremely fouled with copper. They are also a lot easier (less messy) than Sweet's or the stuff Barnes sells.

I ordered two cans yesterday. The gentleman on the phone was very helpful and friendly as well. I can't wait to try this stuff out. They also have a really good spray lubricant and a spray degreaser/cleaner. Their degreaser is 100% safe to use- unlike gun scrubber which is glorified brake cleaner, and fries your liver.

Appreciate that 470 Mbogo furnished the web site for this miracle cleaning product. Ordered two cans and cannot believe that it works that well, have to wait for the moment of truth. I never was very good at getting all the Cu foiling out and never felt all that brushing helped the barrel any. Maybe now I can shoot Barnes solids without always worrying about the extruded Cu deposits in the barrel.

Lets check back and compare results!

Hey guys let me know as soon as you try this stuff. Ive never heard of it before. I hope it lives up to its claims. If it does Ill take a case

Ok, with all this hype, I ordered a few cans today. I'm real anxious to put it to good use. The owner was very friendly and helpful. Thanks for the heads up on this
product report.

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RC

I've been using it in one form or another for about a year...

I have one suggestion, and that is after you clean the gun and it's getting a clean patch, then swab it again with CR-10, let sit for 20 minutes then run a clean patch down it and see what happens.

I use the foam, but I don't consider it miracle stuff, rather a quick clean in varmint shooting, when combined with one of the pull through rope jobs.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
atkinsonhunting.com

Ray:

Since you are apparently back home I assume you are not going to be at SCI/Las Vegas(?).

I was going to stop by your booth so you could learn something about hunting Africa!!

At least you made it home okay.

Will

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atkinson:
Hi Ray,
Is the foam product your talking about actually Wipe-Out or some other foam type bore cleaner. I had very good results when I used it. I read your post and tried doing the test in the other direction. I cleaned a copper fouled rifle with CR-10 until the patches came out clean and looked down the barrel with a bright flashlight which only gives you a good read on the first 3 inches of barrel and you could still see a small amount of copper. CR 10 is a very good product for copper removal but I've always found light traces of copper when the patches don't show any sign. I then sprayed some Wipe-out in the barrel and waited 30 minutes and it cleared the light copper that was left. It must have been a light trace of copper because it didn't show blue on the patch or in the foam. I then put some more CR 10 in the barrel and let it sit for 10 minutes, patched it out and could not see any bright copper shine. I think the copper removal ability of the two is very comparable but the spray in foam is ouderless and just requires patching out.
470 Mbogo

I just ran across a flyer on "Wipe Out" that I had received, along with other literature, from "Brockmans Custom Rifles", a few years back. The folks at Brockmans appear to have a very high opinion of this product.

The more I try this stuff the better I like it. Here are a few things I've found out under the do's section. With large bores when you spray in the foam for the first time check with a flashlight that the foam has travelled all the way to the chamber area. If it is short then give it one more shot and it should move the entire way down. You don't have to patch out the first spray. Make sure that the cone fits the muzzle properly and that the cone is reversible so the taper fits inside the bore on larger rifles. Just hold the can firmly into the muzzle with your thumb while holding onto the muzzle. As long as Wipe-Out is in a foam stage it is still working so I've been letting it sit in the barrel over an hour. It has removed all copper, bronze etc within a couple of sprays.
What results have you had?
470 Mbogo

What did you need this stuff for, cleaner kills or what eh......

I just got mine delivered to me today. I tried it in one rifle that had bad "copper painting" in the last 2 inches of the barrel by the muzzle. After 2 applications, all the copper was gone!! I had tried other solvents, but was not getting very far. I'm sure if I would have let it sit longer (like the directions say) I could have got it all in one application.
The next rifle I try it in, I am going to leave it in the barrel overnight, and see what happens. This is what they suggest for badly fouled barrels, or for barrels that you do not know how much fouling is in them.
The good thing with this is- it will not harm your barrel, bluing, or health. It actually contains a rust inhibitor, and does not attack the steel like ammonia.
I also ordered the Flush-out degreaser and Slicker. I really like the Slicker lube as well. It sprays on as a light penetrating oil, then dries to a lightweight grease.
Congratulations to these guys for making great products!!!!!

Have ordered two cans of "Wipeout" and was very skeptical of all the claims. Proceeded slowly with my most fowled bore, a .416. It didn't remove all the Cu even after several treatments. So, I moved on to three others (rifles-big bores) which were cleaned after several treatments. So at this point, I knew it worked so was patient and gave the .416 three more 6 hour treatments. I couldn't believe it as all the Cu was removed and I rechecked with another application so I could read the patch. This gun was never cleaned to point of removing all the Cu from the rifling since I bought it.

Checked with a chemist friend of mine to see if these long treatments would harm the steel. As long as an inhibitor works correctly, should not be a problem, but if it involves amines, each batch could be a little different.

Hard to believe this product really works and meets the claims.

What is the world coming too!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Paul Machmeier:
Proceeded slowly with my most "fowled" bore, a .416. (quotation marks added)

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No wonder it didn't work right away. The product manufacturer never claimed it would remove chicken or turkey.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I am definately going to order some of this stuff up. Down with bore brushes!

Canuck

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This might be a stupid question but hows it work on lead fowling or if it cleans out copper it will clean anything.

Mr. "Canook"

In regard to our "chicken or turkey fowling", in the lower 48/50 states we have diferent forms of words for those of us that can't spell, ie. "fouling".
Glad you got my attention as I was warned about possible steel pitting by our chemist, and I wanted to pass that on, if the inhibitors are not working exactly correct. The concern here would be for long term treatments, like overnight.

But I ordered several more cans as I believe some of the present bore cleaning treatments with all the brushing cannot extend barrel life.

Be great if a barrel maker would give an opinion on this forum.

Let's compare notes on this product periodically as we gain more experience.

No more fowl smelling chemicals.

pmm

magua, on the website it states that the product won't dissolve lead fouling, but it will loosen it so that it can be easily removed by patches.

Canuck

Paul, Hukd on fonix werked fer me two.

Canuck

Finally got around to trying it today. My .505 had been cleaned well after a recent range session and it certainly looked good.
However, my first 10 minute application of "Wipe Out" was a real eye opener. India Ink came out, along with brass particles. I repeated the process (10 minutes) and still more fairly dark blue was to be seen on the patches. A third 10 minute treatment resulted in the palest possible blue. I will try again tomorrow on 3 or 4 other rifles that appear to be suitably clean and see what happens.

Nickudu:

I am glad to see a couple guinea pigs try this, with apparent good results. Since this guy is only 20 miles down the road from me, I guess I have a geographic obligation to try it.

I'm not fond of CR-10, It takes a whole day to clean a double, and if not diligent, it rusts away the gun.

Will

I just got off the phone ordering some of this product. The gentleman was very impressed with the responses he has gotten from the AR crew.

For what it's worth ... Yesterday I tried the "Wipe Out" on 3 additional rifles, also thought to be well cleaned. These rifles, as was my .505 Gibbs described above, were fed a nearly exclusive diet of Barnes "X" and Super Solids from day one and all three produced a dark blue patch from the first 10 minute application, being essentially free of residue after the third. I gather, if "Wipe Out" is able seek out and remove material from "clean" barrels,it may improve things dramatically when applied to an obviously fouled barrel. Hopefully, someone can perform a test at that end of the spectrum and post their results. I am now looking forward to comparing group sizes to previous bests and seeing if the recorded pressure readings of known loads might be somewhat reduced.

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The only problem I have with this product is the application process. It seems that I either put too little or too much in the barrel. Usually it comes foaming out the action and extra comes out the muzzle. I seem to have trouble getting the cone on the can to make a good seal on the muzzle, and the foam leaks around the cone before the barrel is full. What I am going to try next is make a 2 foot piece of tubing that fits over the nozzle and insert that into the barrel. It seems that should help control the flow and area of application.
However, this is an awesome product. A few times it didn't entirely remove the copper fouling in one application, but that was my fault for not letting it sit long enough. I have found that if you let it sit overnight, patch out, and apply again, the patch from the second application (after 10 minutes) is always very clean.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nickudu:
Hi Nick,
My 500 A-Square was obviously fouled. When you looked into the end of the barrel with a light it was all bronze from shooting the Barnes Solids. It took three treatments to get it out. I left it in overnight on the second treatment and the result from that treatment was very blue. Remember that the ten minute treatment is for your barrel after it has been totally cleaned. As long as Wipe-Out is in the foam stage it's still working so don't be afraid to leave it in for 5 or6 hours if your gun is very fouled.

470 Mbogo

FWIW, I had cleaned 470's 500A2 with three treatments of Sweets. It was still really coppery, and it looked like it was going to be a really big job trying to finish the job with Sweets. Since 470 had already started this thread, it seemed like a good opportunity to try the Wipe-out. Only three treatments with Wipe-out to get that fouling out impresses the hell out of me.

Canuck

470,
Thanks for the inFOAMation!

I ordered some of this product last week, based on the second round of "thumbs up". It hadn't yet arrived when I discovered it on the shelf of my local gun store. So I bought a can and tried it yesterday.

I'd been following this thread closely because I have a "tiger stripe" barrel on a new gun. Black grooves; orange lands. So much for not following the correct break in procedure! Anyway, I've spent a week and a half with Hoppe's copper remover, and Shooter's Choice, and a brush, and I just couldn't make any progress on the copper. That bore soaked for at least a week, and I couldn't see any difference. Lots of green on the patches, but the bore still was nice and coppery.

Wipe-Out fixed it. I let the first application sit for four hours. (OK, I'm impatient. So shoot me.) Patch came out bright blue. So I foamed it again, and went to bed. This morning, the patch was totally clean. I'm blown away. Got three more guns foaming as I type...

Like others, I've had trouble getting enough foam in the barrel without making a big mess, with it foaming all around the can and muzzle. I don't care though; the product is much cheaper than elbow grease!!! And the mess isn't all that bad. Do expect drips out of the muzzle and possibly chamber though.

Breaking in a barrel (right) will be unbelievably easy with this stuff.

Big thumbs up everybody, this stuff works!!!

Pertinax

I went to the hardware store yesterday and bought a 2 foot piece of 1/4 outside diameter clear plastic tubing (used for plumbing). I took the cone off the can and this tube fits over the spout (tight). I haven't tried it in a barrel yet (all my barrels are now clean), but next time I use the Wipe-out, I will try it this way.
Just make sure if you get any overfoaming in the action to wipe it off of the stock right away. It might damage the stock finish if you let it sit.

I wound up using an old plastic "MTM" bore guide and it eliminates 99% of the excess foam problem, at least at the action end. I'll say one thing, theres no way I'm gonna get the estimated number of cleanings with .45 and .50 caliber bores. It takes a lot of foam to fill these barrels!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pertinax:
Hi pertinax,
I found that the cone didn't fit really well on my Bruno 416 Rigby barrel so it was hard to get the foam to travel all the way down the bore. I just filed the shape of the cone a little so it would seal better and that was the end of the problem. If on the first spray it doesn't go all the way just shake the can again and it will usually push the existing foam to the end. It won't take long and you'll know just how much to spray to get it to just reach the end of the chamber.

Ken:
I was thinking of trying the same thing with surgical tubing. I called Terry Paul to ask him about it and he thought it possible to end up with voids if you pulled the tubing out too fast. After I filed the cone taper I didn't have any more trouble pushing the foam down barrels from 30 cal to 50 cal.

470 Mbogo

Thanks for the suggestions, all.

It sure is nice to be complaining about how to effectively get the wonder chemical in the bore, rather than how to get the bore clean!!!!

Pertinax

P.S. The three other guns, including one I would have sworn was perfect, were not but are now. The stuff is fantastic.

I just ordered two cans from Terry,for my Colt HBar,He said the only thing I had to do was use a McDonalds straw to get past the muzzle break.He also said he could use all the advertisements we could help him out with.If you could inform your local gun dealers about this product he would appreciate it.If you like this product,let's help Terry out.

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Just returned from a squirrel shoot and can give a thumbs up for Wipe-Out. We used Wipe-Out on seven rifles from .17 up to my .375 and .416 CZs. This stuff does indeed work. The .17 Rem and .220 Swift cleaned up better (and easier) than ever. I'm a user of this stuff from now on.

John