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Hi I'm a wimp with a 375 H&H. How effective is the .416, either rigby, or Rem, at 2400 fps, with 400 grain soft points??? Finally, what's the value difference?? gs | ||
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Well...what are you shooting? Very effective for non dangerous game. Well...what is your definiton of a soft point? A woodleigh soft point? a nosler partition is a soft point? hornday interlok's are soft points? Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Since 1912, many a wimp with a 375 has been successful on everything that walks the planet. I think the term "effective" is going to elicit some varying responses from the group here. Effective for what type of hunting? IMHO, the 416 caliber family at 2400fps reminds me of the Chevy El Camino which was both a car and truck. I think the 416 family at 2400 is a decent compromise between longer range trajectory and short distance horsepower/stopping power. If it were me and I were looking for a DGR rifle battery I would make the jump to a 458 Win Mag or Lott as it would compliment your 375 well. The 416/400gr/2400fps combo works but the 458/500gr/2150-2300fps will do it better should things get hairy. | |||
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If the consideration is hunting dangerous game, one will rarely hunt without a pro. That pro will have a rifle with a power level somewhat more than the 375 OR the 416 ( see the thread on professional hunters preferences). The fact is the 416 is not a comprimise for a hunter with a PH. It has and always had more than enough to get the job done. The fact that larger calibers might provide a measure of security in no way is demeaning of the 416. If the hunter does his business properly, not many will be able to tell the difference. square shooter | |||
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If the .375H&H hurts you, the .416 will put in the hospital.  George  | |||
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Unless you are hunting dangerous extensively, like lb404 said, I doubt you will ever see any difference. But assuming you can comfortably handle the abuse, bigger is always better. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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The 400-grain .416 bullet has a sectional density of .330. Fired at 2400 FPS MV a flatnose monolithic solid bullet of this weight will penetrate just as deeply as any other similar bullet regardless of diameter. Aimed correctly, it will quickly kill any land animal on this planet. And no bullet that can be fired from the shoulder will do this if it does not hit the right spot. If you use softpoints, then their effectiveness depends on how "soft" they are. A 400-grain "soft" Nosler Partition or comparable bullet at 2400 FPS will work on animals as big and tough as Cape Buffalo. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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How effective is a .416 400 grain soft point, at 2400 fps? VERy............. But I prefer a 350 grain such as the TSX, GS Custom, Or the 380 North Fork Soft or Cup Point these bullet will give a fasrter recovery time between shots if needed and penetrate plenty _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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400gr SPs on just about anything other than thickskinned game are just amazing... there's not difference on game from a 416AR, 416 rem, or 416 rigby... 2400 is 2400. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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If I combine my buffalo exp. & that of my friends & a couple of PHs I have hunted & talked with, the .416/400 is a definet step up from the .375 especially when hunting larger game. It just plain hits game harder & you don't have to push it to 2400fps. 380gr NFs @ 2250fps from my .404 is very decisive on larger game & it's much easier to shoot than the .458wm or Lott.  Using a 340grNF or 350gr Woodleigh @ 2500fps, it doesn't make a bad plainsgame round either.LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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