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Originally posted by MTM:
We can learn the trajectory and shoot a 4570 at long range but thats not what the post is about.

True, but Tigger was talking about a .416 that was in question, and inside 300 yards, the difference between a 300 and 400 grs bullet is just not big enough to get bothered with. In fact, under 1,5". At 400 yards, 3". Knowing your rifle is much better than having the trajectory taped to the stock.

I totally agree. I'm just saying I only hunt B.C. and don't consider the 400s to be any advantage to a well constructed lighter bullet for the type of game I hunt.

The reason I am asking about this stuff is that in September I may have a chance of shooting some camels, my friend and I will be taking our .416's thats a given, we usually shoot 400 gr weight bullets at other feral game but as we thought that ranges might be long (being in arid desert type regions) ,we would be only taking the one rifle each (reasons for this) we thought that a 340 gr woodleigh, 350 gr Barnes X or GS 330 gr .416 if we could ever get them in Australia would be a great compromise over the round nose woodleigh and Taipan 400 gr bullets we currently use.

In my part of the world long range is anything outside of 400 yds and more likely outside 500. At those ranges (if I were inclined to become good at it) I would prefer retained energy over muzzle velocity. The lighter bullets in .416 shed energy faster and a camel is pretty big animal.

That is part of where I was coming from that I failed to make clear. I would also be looking for the bullets on the softer side of Barnes for acceptable expansion at the lower striking velocities at those ranges. The exception to that for me would be the 370 gr North Fork as I have some experience with it and I feel it has attributes that outweigh the 30 grain deficit.

I'm sure there maybe others; I have not shot them all.

45-70 is another class altogether and not necessarily bound by the same logic. At 600 yds I would eject the shells, dump the powder on the grass and start a wildfire to stampede the entire herd over a cliff or into a redoubt for close range shooting. One must match the technique to the technology to be authentic to its era .

I found some more 325 gr .416 x bullets at $45 a box.I have about 100 left.I shot some 1" groups with them at 2800 fps at 100 yards.I would not turn down a 300 yard moose or interior griz with them.I am thinking of getting some 350 gr x bullets before they are gone.I found some of those for $32 for 50.I have had good luck with every bullet with reloader 15 in the 416 rem mag.Those 410 woodleigh bullets kick way harder than any of the 400 ge bullets I tried.

At ranges above 250 tards, spesially in open, desert country, calling the range, is much more important than "flat" trajectory. You need a rangefinder, and to know how your trajectory is. That is , how many clicks at what range. Higher BC gives more punch at longer range, and also bucks the wind better. You still need to know your rifle, and live targets is not the way to learn long range shooting. At least spend one day shooting at targets in the desert before hunting.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I truly don't believe one can say the .378 weatherby is a long range big bore and imply (by it's absense) that the .375 H&H is not. I took a whitetail at over 1/4 mile with my H&H....in my world that's long range.

Agreed! The .375 H&H, with pointed bullets, will shoot right along with the .30/'06. That's no short-range woods rifle! I am sure the .416's will do as well with pointed bullets.

I used the 330 gr HV by GS Custom in my 416 Rem on my last trip to RSA. The bullets are very accurate, the performance on game is outstanding.

Last I knew Gerard had some of my groups on his website.

I have about 60 loaded rounds that I am hoarding. The only hassle with the GS Custom bullets is the unreliability of the supply chain.

They are great bullets, though.

Don probably not much chance of getting them to Australia I suppose.

But I have a slim chance of hunting camels later this year and I figure distances will be long, I want to use my .416 and I thought the GS HV would be ideal as would a Barnes X 350 gr TSX. There is also the woodleigh 340 gr protected poits although no one on this forum has used the lighter 340 gr woodleigh's on game I don't think.

Currently I shoot woodleigh 410 gr softs and Taipan 400 gr softs

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Originally posted by PC:
Don probably not much chance of getting them to Australia I suppose.

But I have a slim chance of hunting camels later this year and I figure distances will be long, I want to use my .416 and I thought the GS HV would be ideal as would a Barnes X 350 gr TSX. There is also the woodleigh 340 gr protected poits although no one on this forum has used the lighter 340 gr woodleigh's on game I don't think.

Currently I shoot woodleigh 410 gr softs and Taipan 400 gr softs

Purchase yourself a "hobby lathe" and purchase some 400 gr. TSXs, and give them a good 20 degree boat tail (concentrate on consistency, and weight them for uniformity). The 20 degree boat tail is what Berger generally use on their VLD (Very Low Drag) bullet line. Insert the nose of the 400 TSX in the lathe to your preferred depth, setup a 20 degree angle on the cutter and start with the edges and work yourself down until you get a GOOD boat tail. If you start with a 400 gr., you might wind up with a 350 gr. bullet but with a possible theoretical BC of .700!

Of course you could just wait a bit.......after Barrett releases the .416 Barrett caliber in contrary to Kalifornia's .50 BMG ban, I am thinking that we might start seeing some GOOD high BC .416 bullets!!!!!!

woodsracer,
That is an interesting idea that gives my "peculiar" tinkering bent the warm-and-fuzzies.

Bullet base uniformity being as critical to accuracy as it is, it would be a challenge to pull this off, but oh the possibilities!

When the Barnes .423/400gr TSX Flat Base becomes available: shorten and boat tail it to imitate the GSC HV .423/320 grainer.

How will accuracy compare?

A possibility for the AFRICAN SHEEP RIFLES of the world.

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Originally posted by RIP:
woodsracer,
That is an interesting idea that gives my "peculiar" tinkering bent the warm-and-fuzzies.

Bullet base uniformity being as critical to accuracy as it is, it would be a challenge to pull this off, but oh the possibilities!

RIP, I guess you see that I am a thinker and a tinkerer as well!!!