OK,Any of you try and "Zing" those lighter 300-350 Lighter bullets?Game results? What velocity/loads you preferred? ....(Is Nothfork Bullets in or out of business?)

SAFARIKID
Lsst I heard he is still out of business.

If I had a 450 Lott, and was going to load up to max velocity with 300 and 350gr bullets I think I would use X bullets on the theory that they would hold tigether.

I use the 350 Hornady RN at @2330 in my 450 No2 on deer and pigs, I would not want to drive it any faster.

The Speer 350gr bullet is reported to be tougher than the 350 Hornady, but I have not tried them.

The 350 Barnes X appears to be quite accurate. I had a couple of boxes sitting on the shelf so I loaded them in front of 120 grs. of 760 in my 460 and shot a 1" group at 100 and a 1.9" at 200 yds. Very limited test but recoil off the bench limits me to 10-12 rds per outing.

I have some,what velocity did you get in what barrel length? Thanks!

SafariKid
Back a few years ago when I was playing with my Lotts I worked with the 350 Hornady the most. NE450 is correct-you do not want to run this bullet over 2400 fps it starts to fly apart at that velocity. A healthy dose of RL 7 I ran it up to 2700 fps--way too much. Dropping back down to 2350-2400 fps was plenty with IMR 3031.

If I were doing it today in 458 Lott it would be the 350 Barnes X for sure. Running between 2450 fps and 2500 fps it will hold together, much over that and you start to loose petals.

I am leaving on the 10th for Alaska taking one of my light weight 458 B&M rifles with the 350 Barnes X for moose, black bear, or wolf should I tag early on brown bear with the 50. I have complete confidence in the 350 Barnes X to perform well, in the 18 inch tube I have on the 458 B&M I get 2465 fps. So in the Lott this velocity would be easy to obtain, and do about anything you wanted to do with a 350 gr bullet.

The same goes for the 300 Barnes X--get much over 2500 fps and the petals start coming off.

The 350 is a better bet in this weight range I think.

MTM is correct--extremely accurate!

Michael

Thanks for the advice.I will stick with the 350 X and then I want ot go the other way,500-550grs at say 2200 should be a Hammer!I think someone makes a 600 too?...My LW Lott sports a 18" barrel ,but I think the velocity wont be a problem to achieve...We will see

I didn't check the speed as I had only intended to use them to mount another scope. I'll check it next time and post it.

SafariKid

Tell me how your 18" barrel Lott is doing? What sort of velocity are you getting with 500s? All my lotts have been shortened to 22 inches at least. No one loves a short barrel big bore better than me. In fact I have designed my B&M series cartridges/rifles around 18-20 inch tubes. I just never did a lott that short!
Michael

Michael,Did not get it in my hands yet...should be here by the weekend(Hurricanes permitting?!)..I love short barrel guns and have and had Many...My 2 600Overkills had a 19 and 20",my 700AHR a 20"...416 Rem Ultralight(4 1/2pds) had a 18",My Lott Ultralight coming(5pds)has a 18"...My 600OK which will also be here this week has a 16"!!...Why 16"?,because 15" is Illegal! Then for my Handguns,I have several 500s and 50/110s with 2.5"! Yes,I do love the shorties!Keep me posted and I will do the same! [IMG]Here is the latest from my secret lab!"The Rogue" .600OK http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k233/SAFARIKID/600OK008.jpg[/IMG]

Safarikid,
Lighter than conventional mono bullets work well in 458s of all description.

From 460 Weatherby impacting at 2600fps with a 450gr bullet .........



To 400gr bullets from a 458WM impacting at 2400fps .............



on this game ..........



and a 458 Lott with 400gr HV bullets on this game ........



We also do a 315gr HV bullet that is used by a PH in his 450 Rigby as his preferred load for plains game.

My plan for a light load for the Lott is to load the 350 grain speer to the same trajectory as the factory 500 grain so that I can interchange the two rounds without adjusting my sights.

I haven't plotted trajectories yet but I estimate that a velocity of around 2250-2300 fps with the 350 grain bullet should be close. Should work perfectly in North America or for African Plains game.

Has anyone else tried this who would be willing to provide me with some starting loads?

Hi Gerard!
I commend you greatly on your bullets and your work involved with them. Although I have not used them I am quite confident they have done, and will continue to do a great job in the field. Your explanation of how the flat nose solids work is the best on the planet, and I refer to it often when trying to explain how they work to others. Thank you very much!

I sure could have used some help from you a few days ago concerning this matter however! I did my best, but could have used your expertise. Regardless it probably would have made little difference in that debate anyway, some folks argue with fence posts, and would argue the sky is not really blue!

Subject at hand. One of the reasons I have not used your bullets is ease of purchase, and availability. Of course I should go over to the website and figure that out. Light for caliber solids such as yours do a great job for thinned skinned critters. Please don't hold it against me, but next week I will be taking a wildcat of mine, 458 B&M-light little rifle with 18 inch barrel, capable of 500s at 2130 fps--but I am going after brown bear/moose and using a 350 Barnes X at 2450 fps. It shoots great, and I have plenty of confidence it will do a jam up job for intended purpose! As would your bullet in the same scenario I have no doubt.

For this purpose I had always relied upon the 400 Swift A for this work, but of recent I have not been able to get the accuracy I had in the past, therefore dropping to the 350 X.

Good work thank you, I will try and see if I can find or get some of your bullets for the future hunts!

JNC91

You may have a chore on your hands. While velocity makes a difference in POI (point of impact) there are many other factors too, bearing surface of the bullet, light bullet vs heavy, even powder burning rates too! It is hard to regulate a light with a heavy-I have tried many many times, sometimes with success, but a lot of the time with no success. Of course I am a bit particular too! If one is within an inch or so at 50 yds, then most likely that will be good for the field if you don't try 500 yd shots or such nonsense. Still it will be a bit tough. In addition I am not a Speer fan, but that is moot! Give it a go!
Michael

I bought the 458 Lott so I could shoot big bullets. I shoot lighter bullets with my 375 H&H or my 416 REM.+

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some folks argue with fence posts

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Of course I should go over to the website and figure that out.

Try this, it is easier than what you think.

Enjoy your hunt, you are definitely not under gunned. Let us know how it went.

Gerard
My wife is from Pretoria,has family in Port Shepstone, and then her dad fishes out of Port St. Johns. She and I spent some time a couple of years ago in Knysna--but have not been to Port Elizabeth area. Above and below.

Thanks for the link to Northern, I have seen that before but forgot. I will check it out when I get back.

Regards
Michael

jnc91

I have done what you are trying to do.

In my 450 No2 I have the 350 Hornady RN shooting the same place as my 480/500gr bullets.

I have achieved this by using my 75% rule, ie I load a bullet that is 75% the weight of the full weight bullet with the same powder charge.

I do the same thing in my 450/400 with 400gr and 300gr bullets.

This has worked in other double rifles as well.

In the case of the 458, a round nosed 500gr bullet at @2150fps has the same trajectory as a round nosed 350gr 458 bullet at @2350fps out to around 300 yards.

So it can be done. The hard part will be in you bolt rifle to get the two different weight bullets to hit the same place at 100 yards.

Strange as it sounds I have found this easier in double rifles than in single barreled guns.

It probably can be done in your rirfle, but it might take some work.

Tom ;;;;

My probably best Alaskan 458 Lott load is the 350 gr Barnes TSX pushed by 82 gr of H 4198 being lit by a 215 primer , [ I bet you have a few of them on hand ] From the 25" barrel of my CZ Lott it averaged 2705 fps and was everybit the hammer that a 500 gr bullet was and sometimes much better ... ..



I need to get off my ass and see if Yk Delta still has any 315 gr GS HV s in stock now that I,m settled in up here ... The biggest problem you may encounter is they dont kick the hell out of you so you better keep The Rouge handy and every few shots torch off a 600 OK as punctuation ...

My avatar shows the results of a 300 gr X @ a bit under 2800 fps striking velocity from my 416 Rem custom ... The Red Mister ..

I have and do successfully use the 350 grain Speers pushed at 2650 fps with H322. Accuracy and performance are vey good in my 24-inch barreled rifle.

Dave

Haha! Good one,when I get withdrawls,I will grab the 600 and get my "JOLT"Fix! ..I like the 350s,should be perfect and if I need,I could always go to the 600grain 458s!....2700 in a 25"! What will that do in my 18" Lott?Hmm,I guess 7"X 20ft per second loss=2560fps,or rounded off to 2500..That works for me!

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
Tom ;;;;

My probably best Alaskan 458 Lott load is the 350 gr Barnes TSX pushed by 82 gr of H 4198 being lit by a 215 primer , [ I bet you have a few of them on hand ] From the 25" barrel of my CZ Lott it averaged 2705 fps and was everybit the hammer that a 500 gr bullet was and sometimes much better ... ..



I need to get off my ass and see if Yk Delta still has any 315 gr GS HV s in stock now that I,m settled in up here ... The biggest problem you may encounter is they dont kick the hell out of you so you better keep The Rouge handy and every few shots torch off a 600 OK as punctuation ...

My avatar shows the results of a 300 gr X @ a bit under 2800 fps striking velocity from my 416 Rem custom ... The Red Mister ..

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Haha! Good one,when I get withdrawls,I will grab the 600 and get my "JOLT"Fix! ..I like the 350s,should be perfect and if I need,I could always go to the 600grain 458s!....2700 in a 25"! What will that do in my 18" Lott?Hmm,I guess 7"X 20ft per second loss=2560fps,or rounded off to 2500..That works for me! [QUOTE]Originally posted by gumboot458:
Tom ;;;;

My probably best Alaskan 458 Lott load is the 350 gr Barnes TSX pushed by 82 gr of H 4198 being lit by a 215 primer , [ I bet you have a few of them on hand ] From the 25" barrel of my CZ Lott it averaged 2705 fps and was everybit the hammer that a 500 gr bullet was and sometimes much better ... ..


It wouldn,t suprise me if you got a full 2600 FPS ,. The Lott is a super efficent case , .,
Many of the guys on here with 21 and 22 " barreled Lotts get the same velocity I was in my 25" barrel .....
If you get bored with your Lott let me know as I may be looking for a stubby . I may build one up anyway ....