Hey guys I have a question for you I am brand new to this site and I just read the post on the big bore pistol and I was curious what would the 600 Nitro be like chambered in an Encore rifle with a similar muzzle brake and a good recoil pad?

First of all, it would be considered a class III destructive device, and require the same tax and paperwork as such fun toys as machine guns and silencers.

Secondly, the encore simply doesn't have a large enough barrel at 1" dia to safely chamber the 600 NE. Perhaps some numbnutz has built such a monstosity, but it is a veddy veddy bad idea!

Not sure what the recoil would be like. I imagine it would be much cheaper and just as effective to pickup a 4# sledge with your off hand, and come down smartly on your shooting hand. Keep hitting it until the idea goes away

I've been fortunate to fire many powerful handguns, but when it comes to the point that you build something as heavy as a rifle, that can and will do serious harm to your body, what is the freaking point?

IMHO, if you can't kill it with a 500 Linebaugh, it's time to go to a powerful rifle. There are plenty of one off monstrosities and novelties that simply do not make good hunting guns.

Wow really it would be considered a destructive device! Didn't know that man. Thanks...What are the rules for destructive devices in other words what makes something a destrutive device?

For handguns, 1/2" is the stopping point. Rifles if chambered in sporting cartridges can go larger, though some states are starting to limit that as well, at least Kalifornia has.

The Encore frame is pretty much maxed out with a belted basic case, ie 375 H&H derivative, which can be opened up to .475" ala the 470 Capstick. The 50 Alaskan is another option as it operates at slightly lower pressure so the encore can handle it. I do know a guy up here who had Virgin Valley make him a 470 NE encore pistol barrel. I never got a chance to shoot it.

My shooting buddy who has extensive big bore pistol experience said it was brutal. He's had about two dozen 454's, a 1/2 dozen 500 Linebaughs and a smattering of specialty single shots, so I value his opinion.

Hamilton Bowen stopped by the gunsmithing school in Trinidad while I was in my third year. He had a few very slick 5 shooters that he was taking to a show. One was a .577 nitro super short. I asked him about the .500" max size and he said that ATF was ok with that one. I don't remember the reason.

I worked for Linebaugh over the summer before my third year in smith school. After building & shooting the 475 & 500 Linebaugh's I can't figure why anyone would want any more punishment. It's like holding your hand out and having someone swing a baseball bat at it. Kinda fun though!
gunmaker

Yo bitch.! They ain't that bad.

Sorry, but I have a .475, and 510 Maximum, and they are better then a baseball bat, with custom grips, and loads.





GS

GS, your a cruel man posting pics like that

btw, what are the long rifle cases?

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Originally posted by Al:
GS, your a cruel man posting pics like that

btw, what are the long rifle cases?

Al,
Make offer. I have to make up my mind, one or the other.
I've also got a fantastic Seville, in 45/454 level, from John Linebaugh,




I could sell. Ross Seyfried shot a cape buffalo with the sister gun to the above, using 45 colt, 345 grain bullets, at 1550 fps.
This is, according to John L. supposed to be the sister gun to the first sixgun to ever do that.

The rifle cartridges are 450 NE 2, 500 grains at 2150, and, 500 Nitro Express, 570's, soft points, at 2015 fps. My gunsmith is going to Africa, and, I had the pleasure of shooting the 500 NE, and, the 450. I figured if I can handle that, I should have a 458 Lott, not a 375 H&H.

GS

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Originally posted by GS:

This is, according to John L. supposed to be the sister gun to the first sixgun to ever do that.

GS

While I was working for John he showed me the 45 colt 5 shot cylinder that Ross used. It had a bulged chamber from Ross working up a load using Federal cases. Linebaugh told him not to use them. Ross went to Africa with a FIVE shot missing one good chamber. He could only load 4. I think I remember hearing Ross shot the buff with 1 shot & no backup gun. Must be an adrenaline junkie.

gunmaker

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Originally posted by gunmaker:

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Originally posted by GS:

This is, according to John L. supposed to be the sister gun to the first sixgun to ever do that.

GS

While I was working for John he showed me the 45 colt 5 shot cylinder that Ross used. It had a bulged chamber from Ross working up a load using Federal cases. Linebaugh told him not to use them. Ross went to Africa with a FIVE shot missing one good chamber. He could only load 4. I think I remember hearing Ross shot the buff with 1 shot & no backup gun. Must be an adrenaline junkie.

gunmaker

Gunmaker: My gun was done in about 1982. Where you the guy with the lathe, in town, that actually did most of the work?

I talked to Ross about that hunt, on the phone, for 45 minutes. He never mentioned the bulged cylinder, but, he did tell me his gun would not time correctly, just like mine. While shooting the buffalo, he did say he had to time the gun with his finger, and bring the cylinder in line for the next shot. Now I know what the confusion was about if he took a 5 or 6 shot revolver. He took a 5 shot, with one bad chamber. What a NUT!! My kind of nut, but, still a nut. He told me he had a backup rifle, but, crawling under the thorns, he couldn't get to it.

Either you, John L, or Ross, sent me some of those, 12 rounds iirc, with 345's at 1550, or 27.5 grains of H110.
Now I know why John L told me to back off the loads.
I used to take a case, fill it with H110, and put a 230 grain hard cast ball on top of it. Not 2-4 inches at 25 yards, but, fun to shoot, and little recoil. Bullets did rattle loose, however.

The finish to the story, is, I think I have about 25 pages of correspondence from John L, hand pecked on his old typewriter.
The story about this being Ross's Seville was latter counterd, by him. He said it belonged to someone in Alaska. It's #25, anyway, and that is stamped on the bottom.

I sent the gun to him about 5-10 years ago, hoping he'd figured out how to fix the timing problem. He wrote back,
"It's your hold!" and charged me 80 dollars for that, not including shipping.

Should have sued him like the Texas guys, product unfit for the use for which it is intended violates implied warranty of
serviceability for the job for which it's intended. But, life's too short for that kind of stuff.

Jack Huntington reblued the gun, and while he was at it, fixed the timing problem, checked the gun, and put those incredible grips on it. I just wanted it blued, but he made it into a work of art.

I love the action on this gun.

You have any suggestions for 510 caliber hollow points? Haven't found any, but, would like a heavy one for the .510 Maximum.

The 440 grain .50 caliber bullet is from a 1200 pound Asian Buffalo Jack shot. It hit bone, and was recovered under the skin, on the off side. Was going 1300 fps, IIRC. The bullet to the right is the Cast Performance, 525, currently loaded at 1350 in my Maximum. The other is the 440 .500 caliber, used for the .500 JRH/S&W Special. 357 is on the far right, for comparision.

What year did John L show you that cylinder? I'm thinking Ross may have made more then one trip, with more then one gun.
I've got most of his writings, so I'll try and go through them, and figure this out...

GS

KMG,
some yahoo did this, in an encore pistol.. it causes stitches and scars...

Paul,
the 600 NE and the 700 NE are sporting round exempted, specifically, by the ATF... it's not a DD by that definition... curiously, the 577 NE isn't.

Now, that you couldn't make an encore weigh 16# without using a 3" barrel is another issue.

jeffe

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Originally posted by GS:

What year did John L show you that cylinder? I'm thinking Ross may have made more then one trip, with more then one gun.
I've got most of his writings, so I'll try and go through them, and figure this out...

GS

GS
I'm trying to remember here, but I'm pretty sure It was the summer of 91. I rented an apartment in Powell and drove either to Cody or Clark to work. John lived in Clark and had a helper there named Mark and I worked the shop in Cody most of the time.

I'm pretty sure the cylinder from Ross's was a five shot 45 colt. I don't think the rest of the gun was there though.

gunmaker

I've got the article about the 6 gun. It was in Guns and Ammo, April 1986, and, it's a Seville that looks near identical to my gun, except for a barrel band, from a ruger rifle for a front site.

I think this was his first buffalo hunt with a 6 gun. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the conversions on the Seville's were 6 shooters, and, the 5 shooters were on rugers? In his 86 Article, he doesn't mention 5 or 6 shots.

In 89 December, Guns and ammo, he takes a Bowen .475 to Australia, and kills an Asian Water buffalo with it.

Other then that, I know he killed another cape buffalo with a .475 Linebaugh on a Ruger frame. That used to be on John L's website.
He wrote another article in Rifle, Oct-Nov 2001 called "the First Buffalo" but, I don't know if thats a new article, or a reprint, and, I can't get a hold of it.

The link below puts to rest the 5 vs. 6 shot.

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=321&magid=24

Scroll down, and you'll see the Seville I'm talking about, with a 'six-shot conversion with oversize cylinder"

GS