Woo-Hoo!! Butch had his new four bore double rifle on display at the booth. Twenty-five pounds, and eighty-five thousand dollars. With the last of the Owens double fours selling for over $115K this will be neat. There were two companies selling ammunition for them there, and neither knew about the Searcy double being made before I mentioned it to them.

I think it was a really great show, people were buying things, and rifles, and hunts.

Rich

Rich, I'd love to see a picture of it.

I'm just curious what hte point of it is, that's way too heavy a gun to hunt with, and at that wait you could probably carry a 50bmg. granted, the rounds are awesome looking, especially next to other common rounds, but still...??

pictures?

Red

My shoulder hurt and I started flinching just looking at it ...




Chuck

Chuck,

Was that reaction from the cartridge, or Fjold's avatar?

That avatar and those 4 bore shells have something in common.

Gary
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Originally posted by GarBy:
That avatar and those 4 bore shells have something in common.

Gary
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'Big Guns' sure are nice to look at!

Yes, if you play with either one, your pants wind up down around your ankles!!!!

I have a few pictures of my buddy holding the 4 bore. I dont know how to post them here but if you email me, I can send them to you.

Seems to me I remember the big double from Jurassic Park was for sale not too long ago. I dont remember if it sold or not. It started at a higher asking price and got reduced a couple times. If I remember correctly and Im not sure I do it was right in this same price range.

the JP rifle was there for sale, price keeps coming down. The engraving is well done, but a bit controversial.

Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
the JP rifle was there for sale, price keeps coming down. The engraving is well done, but a bit controversial.

Rich

Who built it and what is the engraving?

the rifle is one of seven or eight total made, with no more to come IIRC. It was made by Ken Owens, for AR member Safari Kid. It has lavish engraving, but the theme was Jurassic Park, and is somewhat controversial. I believe it is currently owned by AR member Big Doggy 700. You might PM him for details. I shot it in September, and at 26 pounds the recoil is not bad at all.

Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
the rifle is one of seven or eight total made, with no more to come IIRC. It was made by Ken Owens, for AR member Safari Kid. It has lavish engraving, but the theme was Jurassic Park, and is somewhat controversial. I believe it is currently owned by AR member Big Doggy 700. You might PM him for details. I shot it in September, and at 26 pounds the recoil is not bad at all.

Rich

Oh, I get it now! I saw picture of that rifle or at least a link to where it was for sale, I don't remember exactly.

When you guys were talking about Jurassic Park I thought you meant the double rifle the guy carried in the film.

nope, a JP themed double.

Rich

I believe the 600 NE from JP was built by Butch
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php..._Double_Barrel_Rifle

I beleive Ken Owens' guns are unrelated

Without naming names or maker's, I've seen the engraving on one of the guns in question and it is just not all that well done, IMO. But, hey, it's not mine, and I'm not going to buy it or shoot it, so to each his own.

I do know that if I was going to spend tens of thousands of dollars for any gun, then I'd either fork over the money for the best quality engraving, limit the engraving to the best quality but lesser amounts that fit my budget, or not have it engraved until I could afford it (which doesn't seem like it should really enter into the equation since if you can afford the gun, a few extra ten large for engraving should be chicken feed). Of course, there is quite a bit of "best" engraving that is not to my taste, but I'm not talking about tastes, since all that has to be satisfied is that of the buyer, but execution.

Charlie,
IMNSHO, the "perfect" enraving is a single lower case j done in cletic knotwork ... I don't care for engraving, 99.99999% of the time .. and would rather have a SECOND plain gun for the price!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
I believe the 600 NE from JP was built by Butch
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php..._Double_Barrel_Rifle

I beleive Ken Owens' guns are unrelated

Yes!!! That's the rifle I was thinking of when I read Jurassic Park.

Thanks, Jeffeosso!

Idaho,He made 5 of them,mine being the last one,now owned by Bigdoggy...here is a pic of it.."The Mastodon"

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
the rifle is one of seven or eight total made, with no more to come IIRC. It was made by Ken Owens, for AR member Safari Kid. It has lavish engraving, but the theme was Jurassic Park, and is somewhat controversial. I believe it is currently owned by AR member Big Doggy 700. You might PM him for details. I shot it in September, and at 26 pounds the recoil is not bad at all.

Rich

Ken Owen actually made 6 total 4 bores and is not making anymore. The mastodon theme had nothing to do with Jurrassic Park. There are lots of great pictures of it on the Lewis Drake website under rifle inventory. It is currently for sale for $98,500.00 dollars. I am trying to sell it because I happen to have the 6th and final Ken owen 4 bore double also. I really don't need 2 of them. All of the engraving was done by Bruce Bradshaw, who spent a little over 320 hours doing the work. The Mastodon wieghs 25 lbs 10oz. with 22 1/2" barrels. The Ken Owens 4 bores are true 1.052" diameter barrels and shoot a 2000 grain naval ordinance bullet. The standard load is 114 grains of blue dot and 2 grains of bullseye. The brass shells are turned by hand using a lathe. Butch's 4 bores have a diameter of .990 if I am not mistaking. I wish I had one of each! Both are very well made rifles. Just a little information for those that are curious. Several guys shot the Ken Owen 4 bore at the Texas big bore shoot south of Houston this past fall. Various size shooters, and all handled it rather well. thanks Ken

I stand corrected. My information that was Ken had ten sets of action casting, and two turned out to be unusable. I shot the rifle pictured for my sixtieth birthday, and NO! BD700 did not offer me a senior citizens discount.

How about showing the other side?

Rich

here is the link to Drakes...click on the excellent pics to enlarge them and see the Masters Details....The details are amazing...I used to sut there with a Magnifier and spot lil lizards,volcanoes with smoking plumes,etc,etc...The Foliage is of that period too(he did alot of research to be correct)...Also,one of the T-Rex has a arm in his mouth and a Sabertooth is being trampled elsewhere!... http://www.sitemason.com/page/fDPJHG

Idaho, you are right, ken did have an extra receiver. One turned out to be no good. He had started with 7 and ended up with 6 good ones. A company in England wanted him to make 10 four bores for them, but Ken declined saying that he was working toward retirement after a few more projects and a few gun projects for his family.

My 4-Bore bullet dia. is 1.020" dia. CIP is 1.0007" dia. I'm currently in talks with Peter Hofer to provide him with 600 rounds of 4-Bore.
The rifle illustrated is the first ever made all stainless steel 4-Bore ever made. Peter Hofer told me that you can't solder stainless. And asked me how I did it. My answere was Kreighoff asked me the same question years ago.

Butch,

thanks for sharing the data. Would you mind sharing your source for bullets and brass as well?
Thank you for building these.

Rich

Butch, that is an awesome looking rifle!

Just wondering, did you perhaps mean CIP diameter is 1.007" or 1.0007"? My 1885 or 86 Bland single uses 1.007" bullets and "Kynoch's drawn case," but I don't know if it is the same as the now CIP 4-bore.

What bullet/load will it use? I take it Peter Hofer is building some too if he needs 600 rounds (I just loaded 27 rounds myself today). Are you making the cases yourself? Thanks for any info you can provide. Keep up the good work

Best Regards,
Bob

4 Bore Rifle
CIP
date: September 27, '93
revised: May 15, 2002

projectile G1 diameter: 25.40mm/1.0000"

barrel groove diameter: 25.40mm/1.0000"
barrel land diameter/bore: 24.91mm/0.9807"
twist: 500.23mm/19.694"

1 inch is 25.40005mm

Letter Rip

Then the ctg case (chamber) size on all these new 4 bores follow the CIP std and only very minor bore variation? Black powder and lead bullets, maybe close enough?

Bob,
The Kynoch round is what I originally used for the making of the cartridge. But I could only get barrels that had a groove dia. of 1.020". I make both the bullets and the brass. It is machined from bar stock. I use 112 to 114 grains of blue dot, and compressed cork over the powder.

BUTCH,Just want to compliment you on this 4 Bore Double...GORGEOUS! ...and being of all Stainless,I could even load it up with #2s and take it Goose Hunting in the Salt marsh of South Louisana!(If it was only legal! )...Seriously,Luv the underlever,the wood is awesome too! What theme will it be engraved in?PS.I did own your .700NE Double a few years back(Bigdoggy now has it) and I took a Wyoming Bison with it!{shot him going away at 50-60yds to the right of his pooper and the 1000gr Woodleigh SOFT Pt came out his Chest!The Guide and I never seen such a blood flow streaming out his chest,like a garden hose maybe 12-18" outward! ..Now thats Horsepower}

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Originally posted by Butch Searcy:
Bob,
The Kynoch round is what I originally used for the making of the cartridge. But I could only get barrels that had a groove dia. of 1.020". I make both the bullets and the brass. It is machined from bar stock. I use 112 to 114 grains of blue dot, and compressed cork over the powder.

I think the all stainless 4 bore is great. Good looking and unique. A real one of a kind. Butch, what is the weight and the barrel length of the 4 bore.

good to see my 700 nitro is still getting sum use... any 1 looking for a machinist im looking to relocate.....