Looks pretty nice. Not mine. Rifle

Good value.

nice looking rifle. Should be worth the money

Looks good !!

I can make you a beter deal than that...hows about a Whitworth 458 magnum. all original, express sights.

Rich

Very nice

I was in First Stop Guns in Rapid City about a month ago- nice shop, good guys, some nice guns.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I can make you a beter deal than that...hows about a Whitworth 458 magnum. all original, express sights.

Rich

Thanks but I am not really in the market. I just like looking at guns and thought I would share my find.

I think that Whitworths are over priced nowdays. I picked up a 375 about a year ago for $650. You can barely look at them for that now. I am not sure what happened. They are nice rifles but really not over $700 nice.

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I can make you a beter deal than that...hows about a Whitworth 458 magnum. all original, express sights.

Rich

I think that Whitworths are over priced nowdays. I picked up a 375 about a year ago for $650. You can barely look at them for that now. I am not sure what happened. They are nice rifles but really not over $700 nice.

What happened is, they are no longer imported into the USA, Much the same way Winchester mod 70s have jumped in price, since they closed the door on the mod 70, and the Whitworth was under priced when they were imported! Whether they are worth it to you, has nothing to with their market value. IMO, and it is only My Opinion any Mauser (MK-X action) rifle that will shoot, is worth $700.

you see all is opinion here, and neither your's or mine will effect the market value of any rifle, supply, and demand will. They are worth what a buyer is willing to pay!

you have aroused my cupidity...went and got mine out of the vault.
It has:
1. a 3-leaf express rear sight, already factory dialed in at 100-200-300yds and a ramp front
2. a barrel band sling holder.
3. nicely figured and checkered walnut stock with cough drop english-style cheekpad and recoil pad.
4. case hardened steel grip cap

And, a commercial Mauser 98 action by Zastava in magnum boltface and box. 458 Lott rounds will fit in the mag box. The parts list will run you about $900 (or a bit more) by time you buy a barrel, and then you start shelling out $100 bills to a competent gunsmith to build you a rifle.

The commercial options are:......CZ, Ruger, Remington (sorry, PF action), Winchester PF or CRF, or..............

You got me there I guess.

Rich

Ok dude, add the following to your Whitworth:
mercury recoil reducer, kickez pad, glass bedding, scope of equal value in qd rings and list it for $1199.

i'm a little uncomfortable with cartridges longer than 458win in a standard length mauser action.I've got a whitworth express in 375h&h thats had a significant amount of material removed from the reciever where the bottom bolt lug locks in place to accomadate magnum length cartridges in the magazine well, which would make one wonder about the stress on the rcvr and how far you can go.Actually doing a 458win on a cz brno 98/22 action but not sure if it could safely handle the 458Lott?

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Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
Ok dude, add the following to your Whitworth:
mercury recoil reducer, kickez pad, glass bedding, scope of equal value in qd rings and list it for $1199.

Rich,
Paolo is right...


the scope is worth 300, the pad and recoil tube installed is another 100, the bedding and bases and rings, oh, let's call it $200..., or $600 total

So, let's take you 900
subtract what's missing -600

Where would you like me to send that check for the difference!

Of course, Paolo, a kickeze is not suitable for a fieldgun, as they tear FAR too easy (don't ask how I know, just say it was confirmed, by ME, a couple times), and this particular one is not installed at the quality of the rest of the gun... and a merc tube in a 458... you ARE kidding, right? With a 9oz kickeze (about what they finish out at) that's got to be pushing 10.5 or more # of 458... or about a POUND too heavy

jeffe

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Originally posted by Rodney H.{500Jeffery}:
i'm a little uncomfortable with cartridges longer than 458win in a standard length mauser action.I've got a whitworth express in 375h&h thats had a significant amount of material removed from the reciever where the bottom bolt lug locks in place to accomadate magnum length cartridges in the magazine well, which would make one wonder about the stress on the rcvr and how far you can go.Actually doing a 458win on a cz brno 98/22 action but not sure if it could safely handle the 458Lott?

Why's that? I am FAR more uncomfortable with rounds with a larger casehead than .532 in a mauser, say a 500 jeffe, or a 585 nyati.. or even the 404 jeffe

but they are proven by decades (in the 500) of use.

Remember, most english 300 and 375 HHs were on mauser 98s, not magnums.
jeffe

Mac,
You are right a rifle is worth what it brings on the market. I am not saying anything different. The Whitworths have doubled in the last year. I have thought of selling mine and making a few bucks. Haven't yet and doubt I will. You should be able to pick up plenty of Mark x actioned rifles that shoot for $700. Here is one in 300 H&H.

Rich,
I did not mean to downgrade your rifle. I didn't even want to compare it to this one. I am not in the market for either one. Just thought maybe I ran across something that someone needed.

My cz brno 98/22 in original military configuration will accept the overall length of a 510gr 458win softpoint in the mag well which is a fine choice for an inexpensive modification to that rifle. I looked at the one on Guns Of America and thought it to be nice, but it did not strike my fancy.Currently I am still awaiting an action from Montana Rifleman to complete my 500 jeffery on. Committed myself to one of there PH actions, but it looks like it'll be another year before I'm in possesion of it! Have ammo for the jeffery- 600gr.A-square mono's loaded in Bertram brass a little longer and higher pressure than original loadings but should achieve my goal in desired velocity and energy in a non-belted package! Rodney---Cut-n-Shoot,Texas

simple question before a few of you start a multi-thousand dollar bidding war...anybody know anything about the builder? I am pretty comfortable that the Whitworth is a well built rifle, and safe to fire.
I personally have issues with custom built rifles of unknown vintage, especially hi-intensity cartridge or magnum calibers.
Can anybody tell me about the builder?

just curious,

Rich

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Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
Ok dude, add the following to your Whitworth:
mercury recoil reducer, kickez pad, glass bedding, scope of equal value in qd rings and list it for $1199.

And the Gentry safety installed, plus extra cross bolt.

I had to take another look. The pictures show just one crossbolt, and of course mine does not have that speed loader cutout on the left side of the action. Never can tell when you might need that extra stripper clip or three when charged by a dozen or more Cape Buffalo or Elephant. Oh yes, eight and one half pounds for mine. Probably too light for a 458.



Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I had to take another look. The pictures show just one crossbolt, and of course mine does not have that speed loader cutout on the left side of the action. Never can tell when you might need that extra stripper clip or three when charged by a dozen or more Cape Buffalo or Elephant. Oh yes, eight and one half pounds for mine. Probably too light for a 458.



Rich

This is what I had done on my Whitworth .458 WM -

1. New safety
2. Trigger checked for smoothness
3. Scope mount holes to 8x40, Talley QD bases and rings installed
4. New Leupold 1.5x5 matte duplex
5. Plastic tip replaced with ebony
6. New red Pachmayr Decellerator
7. Stock crack repaired (weak spot behind floor plate), gap from old safety filled
8. Holes for cross bolt fixed (if you look , many of the "cross bolts" appear to be external only as they are located over the mag box with no spot for a bolt to go through).
9. Bedded
10. Light oil finish
11. Feed and function checked

All of this, including the scope, exceeded the cost of the rifle even though the gunsmithing was done for what I thought was a very reasonable cost.

Not to say yours is not a good deal, just that a fully-sorted gun requires a good bit of after-the-purchase work if not already done.

No doubt the Whitworths have gone up of late and you could likely get a decent price for yours if you sold it.

most of what you listed, and have put just over 60 rounds of factory spec rounds thru it. Three pound trigger, smoothed up, crossbolt is functional, am still wandering about what scope. I have a vintage K3 Weaver on my CZ416, may put that on and stick the shiny new Leupold 4.5x14x50mm on the Rigby. It has the long(er) range accuracy to make use of it...a sort of plains rifle on steroids!

Appreciate all the input from you guys.

Rich

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
Mac,
You are right a rifle is worth what it brings on the market. I am not saying anything different. The Whitworths have doubled in the last year. I have thought of selling mine and making a few bucks. Haven't yet and doubt I will. You should be able to pick up plenty of Mark x actioned rifles that shoot for $700. Here is one in 300 H&H.

That is a thrown together rifle built on a Whitworth action! The only thing worth buying is the barreled action, cut the barrel back behind the porting and mount iron sights, then slap it in a McMillan stock. The price is about right for a good 300H&H barreled action, though that one looks like it's been in several hockshops, and gun shows! Who ever did the checkering looks to have used a hatchet for the job!

ElCaballero, what is your Whitworth chambered for, and is everything origenal? OH, I went back and now see it is a 375H&H, and I already have two of those, but I could rebarrel your's to 400 H&H!

Mac,
I bid on the 300 H&H just for the barreled action with the intention of doing just what you said. It is however a Mark X actioned rifle that shoots!

Yes my Whitworth is all original. Well I still have the original stock but I used it for a pattern and got a little better wood on it. It should be back from the stock guy anyday. I don't think I will sell it I would just want it back.

El Caballero,

agreed!

what's that old saying "...you never appreciate the water 'til the well runs dry..."?.

Rich

You can buy a new Charles Daly .458 for $569, or a new Charles Daly 30-06 with doubleset triggers for $349

the Charles Daly '06 would be just about worth it for the DST's and action, IMHO.

Rich

I believe one can aquire a zastava action all the way through to a completed rifle either with charles daly or there websites authorized distributers. My whitworth {zastava} express is a nice rifle for a small investment and has great potential to be rebarreled into something more interesting!