How light could a 458 Lott on a CZ or M-70 action be built? What barrel contour at 20-22 inches and what stock could be used? Open sights only. A PH friend of mine wants one as light as it can be built because he carries one much more than he fires it and when he does shoot he has much more to worry about than recoil.

Perry

I'm sure many of the ultralite gun builders could get one down pretty skinny. but you would have to use the win, as the CZ trigger weighs more than a win action

I would think it could be down in the 6 1/2 pound to 7 pound range, but it sure would be hard to hang on to. I've seen 375's in the 6 1/2 pound range with scopes, but they all had brakes and not my type of gun.

I would say somewhere around 7 to 7.25 lbs before he loads the ammo in the rifle. This would be a VERY light Lott. Brutal to shoot. And it would feel like a much lighter rifle to carry due to the fact that it won't have a scope and rings to add.

My Lott weighs 10 lbs 15 oz with the scope and mercury recoil reducer. I wouldn't want it any lighter. But that is just me. I don't do it for a living.

I will say that it balances real well and carries pretty darn good. On my Buffalo hunt, I had to sprint, fire, sprint, fire, sprint, fire for about 400 yards. I shot a total of nine times trying to stop the Buffalo before he got to the thick stuff. It got to the point that I was ready for one of us to die. I wasn't sure which one it would be.

not sure how light you can go but when i bought my interarms 458 with a bell and carlson stock it only weighed 7.5 lbs.And yes it does have a wispy thin barrel,but recoil was ferocious.3 shots rapid fire and i dislocated my shoulder. If you want a really light stock ,a buddy of mine is making them out of kevlar and fibreglass and his work is first class and his mountain rifle stocks only weigh 15 ounces yes ppl 15 ounces for a finished stock so if that helps your buddy let me know and i will send you his ph#...regards...Dennis

icehunter brought up something that I completely forgot about. Since this is a working rifle and he is considering using a Model 70 action. I would have him take a long hard look at using the D'Arcy Echols stock design from McMillan. His stock is probably the best at absorbing recoil along with feeling just right of any that you can buy.

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Originally posted by PWN375:
How light could a 458 Lott on a CZ or M-70 action be built? What barrel contour at 20-22 inches and what stock could be used? Open sights only. A PH friend of mine wants one as light as it can be built because he carries one much more than he fires it and when he does shoot he has much more to worry about than recoil.

Perry

I am done testing a rifle for a client in .416 Taylor. It is 7,5 pounds with scope an full magazine. I loath the gun, its recoil is brutal in the bench. Off hand kinder, but still worse/better than his 9 pound Lott.Under 9 pounds is rubbish for me, a fast second shot gets harder when recoil rattels your brain. When a pro's shot is needed, shot placement is often more important than brute force.
Before he spends money, he should try a few to feel how they shoot.

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Originally posted by PWN375:
How light could a 458 Lott on a CZ or M-70 action be built? What barrel contour at 20-22 inches and what stock could be used? Open sights only. A PH friend of mine wants one as light as it can be built because he carries one much more than he fires it and when he does shoot he has much more to worry about than recoil.

Perry

0.675" at the 22" length muzzle, no shorter, no lighter. Approaching 0.700" at the 20" mark. This is close to a "No.4 Sporter Contour" for some makers (varies). It will weigh about 8 pounds empty and bare, with express sights and barrel band sling stud, in a standard McMillan on a Model 70 Classic action. The CZ would be closer to 9 pounds.

This is my educated guess, because I have a similar .458 Lott made on a Mark X Mauser clone, with the standard weight Brown Precision fiberglass stock (not a Brown Pounder flyweight). My barrel is 24" and is 0.668" at the muzzle. It shoots 1.5 MOA and has a KDF brake that screws on and off, with a thread protector looking best on it. Thus, my lightest weight .458 Lott weighs 8 pounds bare, and I wouldn't want it any lighter.

Unless you don't plan to pull the trigger much, a .458 Lott that weighs under 10 pounds will not be your friend.

My first 458 Lott was under 9#, and it was not fun. The new one was made from a Ruger #1 458 take off barrel shortened to 22", yes it's a truck axle barrel, but it is appropriate for the chambering and makes it managable to shoot, I think it's right about 10#.

I could see going to 9# for a carry alot shoot a little rifle. To go lighter than that will either require a muzzle brake or having a gun that would be very difficult to become competent shooting.

I'd say if one wants a 8# stopper, it shouldn't be chambered in anything larger than 416 rem mag.

The Lott is a kicking SOB anyway you cut it...I want it to weigh 10.5 stripped at least...

The old addage is you carry one more than you shoot one is pure BS, you develope a flinch and thats, that!! pure and simple...then that big bore is as useless as tits on a boar hog!!

We see this every year without exception...You don't feel the recoil when shooting at game, but your mind remembers it and that dull thud of a gut shot is the usual results....

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
The old addage is you carry one more than you shoot one is pure BS, you develope a flinch and thats, that!! pure and simple...then that big bore is as useless as tits on a boar hog!!

Ray,
this is your best reply in all history.

a CZ COULD weigh in at 8.25# before doing anything weird.. and I want to be filming when someone touches THAT one off... and then I'll hand him or her a 550 express, and watch them smile in please.

the first lott i ever shot was right at 8, on a 70... and I thought i had had mind brain kicked through my sinuses...

9.5# is a goodly weight.. 10.5 is more in the 500 jeffe range... 11 for a 550 express...

g's opete, that's like boddingtons 7# 416 rem.. i bet it beats him like a crooper after a walnut tree.

jeffe