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Got in a little "Champion" shooting this weekend and decided to take some footage to watch the ride. Shot three levels of recoil, 150-200-250ftlbs, and made some comparison videos.

The rifle is my .600OK and is 10 1/2lbs without the X-Brake and about 11 1/2 with. The weight and braking effect go a long way in shooting the "Big Ones".

Anything more than 150ftlbs is really too much for me to handle for followup shots without the muzzle break.

First video is of two 1040grain loads with approximately 150 and 200ftlbs recoil KE, first with no break then braked. Second video is a 900grainer at 2350 for right at 250ftlbs, no brake then braked.






 
Posts: 1143 | Location: Kodiak | Registered: 01 February 2005Reply With Quote
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PWS-Well thats a great advertizement for the effectiveness of muzzel brakes alright. Nice holding on with the 2350fps loads. Good form too!-Rob


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Mike, you are certifiable.
Has the snow level dropped any.
We are over 70 degrees here today and the snow is slusy. I've been busy testing numerous small bores like the new 416 Ruger vrs the Rigby and using Lon's 30-06 with 220 and 240 gr bullets.


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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The good brakes really work. Your shots sure prove that out! You gotta love shooting that 600 O.K.!! I have a papa bear 600 at 13.6 lbs, a mama bear at 10.8 lbs, and a baby bear 600 at 8.5 lbs. I like the brakes on all three of them.
 
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OK, how much is the ad going to cost me?

Good thing you had the snow bank behind you. Shooting that thing without the brake is a little crazy.
 
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Great videos Perhaps it is your size and form , but it doesn,t appear to be as much of a train wreck as the Champions with Saeed,s T Rex .... Did anyone come and check your pupils to see if you were conscious or out on your feet ?????? rotflmo... Thanks ...


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I'll throw in a couple of observations now that I've proven I'm a wee bit nilly

Regarding form, I've noticed that it doesn't do any good to spread my feet and take a wide, firm stance as the rifle will twist my torso in an uncomfortable manner. Holding my feet closer together, putting most of my weight on the front foot and using the rear foot for balance allows me to shift my weight to the rear foot in recoil. Depending on the exact balance point, the heavier loads will often shift my weight past the tipping point and backpedaling is necessary to stay on my feet. Nice to have a soft snow bank or open area behind me!!

In recoil, I haven't noticed the barrel torque but you can see it in the videos. I noticed my groups were starting to walk to the side and then I realized that the front sight is moving in it's dovetail! There's so much rearward movement that the slight twist is masked but I'm very happy with the way the "open thumbhole" stock delivers the energy as my hands stay put and nothing bites my cheek or knuckle.

Phil, snow is going fast. Looks like we're in for a week of 40+ weather. Feels pretty good. I'm riding over to Afognak with Taj this morning for a couple week's hitch at the hatchery.

Gumboot, I have actually noticed a few instances of blackout when my head gets snapped back. I'll be looking at the sights and a moment later, looking in a totally different direction. I'm stupid enough to try it a few times but have no intentions of making a habit of the practice. 900 grains at 1500-1700 is plenty of thud and blunder for practice and play.

Wayne, ad is free for the thrill of the ride! The footage is a bit rough but feel free to use it if you can.
 
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PWS,
Such a brief G-load on your noggin in the backward and upward direction is causing a blackout?
Is this like a gray-out, a tunnel-down (loss of peripheral field), a full loss of vision, or are you seeing stars?
I have experienced it all in a centrifuge or when knocked on my butt in the boxing ring.
Never with a firearm!!!

This is a disturbing post. The 12 GaFH can equal or exceed those recoil levels.
I fear I may develop a flinch just from watching those video clips! Wink

Shoot that baby off the bench and you will notice the torque ... to the right if right-hand twist barrel ...
so that means your rear sight is drifting out of the dovetail to the left?
And that is making your POI drift to the left?

If only you had a faster twist barrel, like Saeed's 1:12" twist T. Rex, you might notice it offhand. Wink Wink

Watch out for your retinas if you are having any visual symptoms in recoil.

If it is just a brain concussion ... don't get punch drunk!

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Mike,

You are right-on with your description of the stance that is best for the 585, 600, 700, etc. I stand erect with my feet closer together than usual, and I know I probably look like a girl holding the rifle, but you can't use an aggressive stance because you are not going to stop the recoil no matter how hard you try. You must roll with it; let it move you around. Kinda like dancin' with a fat girl.

Gumboot,
Those boys in Saeed's video didn't have a clue what was about to happen to them. That last guy, he'd been there, done that.
 
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Wayne,

does your lovely (slender) wife know you been takin' a walk on the wide side?
Fat Girls, eh?

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RIP, I would equate the lost of sentience to what a boxer must feel getting clocked; it is a very brief loss of balance and vision with no stars or nausea or other such lasting symptoms.

I've never boxed but back in JV football, got hit in the helmet and it tipped me over for a moment. I would assume that's what it feels like to kiss canvas. The recoil sensation is the same as that helmet hit but a lot shorter in duration and if I wasn't a bit paranoid, might not even notice it.

Another observation is that it's very easy to get caught off guard by the recoil and you'd better have your position right while firing. When done right, you just roll with it but done wrong, it's a shock to the system. I can't even imagine what it's like to shoot those 8-9lb Overkills.

Wayne, you should have chosen the handle "Ironman" or "Ironshoulder"! Love the analogy - dancing with a fat girl. I might add, she's a damn strong one too!
 
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.... I don,t think you ought to do that too many times ..... I,ve experienced similar quicky blackouts ....They all involved getting widow makered or hit on the head by a tree ....I can still feel them most mornings when I get up ....

They are cool videos tho .... but be careful ..


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Fun Videos!But,it seems there isnt much difference in the first video when you go back and fourth with and without brake??...The 2nd video there is a huge difference when compared??...You were even knocked down in that one.... bewildered


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Kid, The four shot video is of loads in the 150 and 200ftlb range with Beartooth 1040grain lead bullets. The recoil of those loads have less continuous push and more of a quick jab than the 900gr Woodies at the 250ftlb level.

Those full power Woodies come back fast and keep pushing!
 
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