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posted 09 April 2006 11:34
Local shoop has several beater sporters on Remington and Winchester 1917 Enfield actions. Would these be any good for the AR rounds, or would they need a bunch of spendy smithing?


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posted 09 April 2006 11:52Hide Post
IMO they need a bunch of spendy smithing to make anything from.

You'll spend a lot less looking for a M-70 classic magnum and using the action in it. I've seen them for less than $550 locally.


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posted 09 April 2006 12:28Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Local shoop has several beater sporters on Remington and Winchester 1917 Enfield actions. Would these be any good for the AR rounds, or would they need a bunch of spendy smithing?


vapodog is right. They can be spendy. I have one made by Winchester and WAS going to have it made into a big bore. I got to looking at the cost and I can order a barrelled action from the Montana Rifleman and have it stocked with a B&C synthetic cheaper than if I reworked my P-17. If I went for a straight rebarrel to something like .270 and convert to cock on opening (leaving the trigger & safety as is) I am looking at something like $500-600. One good thing is that it has a pretty good stock on it already and most of the metal work was done by the previouus owner.

I believe they are building th AR rounds on the Ruger M-77 action.


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posted 09 April 2006 20:10Hide Post
Bill,
if you are doing the work yourself, they can be a challenge and a bargin... if you are paying someone else.. start with an "already magnum"ized action

Joe,
We've got AR on
ruger 77
ruger 77 mkII
VZ 24
CD
and one more on the way

the ruger 77MKii is just the easist

jeffe


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posted 10 April 2006 18:27Hide Post
A lot depends on what is included in a "beater sporter". I have seen several (bought one 300 H&H) for $250-350. These were old sporters done when work was cheap. They have already been recontoured, floorplate straightened, cock on closing, timney trigger etc. This would represent a lot of expensive work now. If you find one like that with the action work done and in good shape for around $300, it will make a good cheap basis for a big bore. Starting with a military style action is a no win situation now.
 
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posted 10 April 2006 18:53Hide Post
I agree 100% with Art S. What sells as just a "sporter" M17 or P14 sometimes has quite a bit of money invested in it, and may not be that far away from becoming a nice rifle. I've picked up 2 sporters and a range-rifle (all currently very useable and fun) for future projects, all 3 for less than the price of a CZ550. Greatest expense in Australia seems to be getting it stocked nice and proper.
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posted 10 April 2006 20:52Hide Post
Guys, I didn't look too closely at the 1917s, but at least three had the ears ground off and one had a straightened floor plate. Can't say about cock on closing or triggers as I didn't pay attention. My first cetnerfire rifle was a 1917 Eddystone Dad got for me from Sears for $29 about 1966. I was in junior high, weighed about 80 pounds. First time I lit it off from prone in a gravel pit, I swear it scooted me back five inches. Always had a soft sport for the old warhorse, but the smithing required is indeed intimidating.


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My first cetnerfire rifle was a 1917 Eddystone Dad got for me from Sears for $29 about 1966.


Interesting.....mine also came from Sears (in Stockton California).....but it was $10


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posted 11 April 2006 00:17Hide Post
I work with these all the time took one to africa in 375 no real problem to re conture but feed is rough on magnum cases till you figure it all out


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posted 11 April 2006 23:13Hide Post
if you like them (as I do), try a Remington Commercial version. F'r instance, I have M1934 Rem that is dreaming of its day in the sun as a 500 on the original Rigby rimless case. John Buhmiller built me one of his 450 Buhmiller Magnums longer ago than I care to admit...worked like a charm but split a couple stocks. Answer: Roy Buckley in Garden Valley, Idaho. I have mine sitting here on my desk as I input, and it holds a 458 Lott comfortably. The 500/416Rimless also fits. Make your own dummy by easing a 416 case into a SW 500 magnum carbide sizer die slowwwwwwwwwwwly.

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posted 12 April 2006 05:49Hide Post
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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Guys, I didn't look too closely at the 1917s, but at least three had the ears ground off and one had a straightened floor plate. Can't say about cock on closing or triggers as I didn't pay attention. My first cetnerfire rifle was a 1917 Eddystone Dad got for me from Sears for $29 about 1966. I was in junior high, weighed about 80 pounds. First time I lit it off from prone in a gravel pit, I swear it scooted me back five inches. Always had a soft sport for the old warhorse, but the smithing required is indeed intimidating.


Bill: just how much do they want for these actions/rifles - particularly a Rem with ground ears and straightened floorplate? I missed one recently here in Co!
 
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