Given Four Taylor rounds down, would you also get the same capacity with the Ruger cartridge?

Rifle is an Enfield.

The shoulder diameter of the Ruger (0.517") is larger than the Taylor (0.489") so that will inpact how many cartridges will fit down in your magazine. However your gunsmith can easily resolve this problem by slightly widening the inside of the magazine so that four of the .416 Rugers can properly stack within the magazine.

I'd say NO, it's wider and will take up more space

Infact, depending on your current inletting you might need to check if the 416 Ruger cases will stay under the feed rails on both sides

regards
S&F

As much money as I have into so many rifle projects, I was trying to do "a budget one". I have tried the 416 Taylor in an unmodified Enfield magazine and 4 fit down perfectly and it also feeds well.

I guess the answer is to stick with the Taylor then? I like the f act you can go with a shorter barrel on the Ruger and there is factory ammo.

it shuoldn't be much work to get it feeding correctly .. however, the difference IS significant.

Difference in the rounds? Or difference in something else?

In the diameter at the shoulder. It's more than enough to make a difference

Make up 4 Ruger dummies or just use 4 Ruger empty cases, load them up and see.

I would guess that if the Taylors will work the Rugers will work, but you'll NEVER KNOW for certain unless you try the actual Ruger case. You're talking about a difference of ~0.028" and it may or may not be significant.

Anytime you wildcat a cartridge OR a rifle receiver you have to "cut and fit" unless you're real lucky.

Besides who could answer for certain unless they already did it and then they could maybe provide you with the "hows and whys".

I have a Taylor and I reload so having factory ammo available is of no value to me, besides I've haven't seen any Ruger ammo in any of the local shops yet, so that aspect has no relevance for me.

If you're building a rifle you can pick the barrel length YOU want...barrel length, again, is something of no relevance.

BUT...IF I were building a 416 today, I would go with the Ruger case for nothing other than the slightly better feeding issue and the fact I wouldn't have to form my own brass.

Luck

The Ruger MKII Pocket Plate prototype (see the threads in the gunsmithing forum) that I am having kcstott make is almost finished. It should be an easy fix for anyone needing +1 in the MKII action. I will post an update with pictures in gunsmithing when it is done.

Without modification on an Enfield, you can make a 3/8" thick and milled out floorplate and fit 4 down of most large cartridges..I know you can do this and get 4 down with a 404 Jefferys. With the real big bores you might have to use a little thicker floorplate. sometimes a little work on the box is necessary. Dennis Olson, Plains Mt. will do it for about $300. Sometimes you might need a stronger floorplate spring also and those are available from Brownells.

The Enfield will take 4 .416 Remingtons down as is...

If the Taylor works, why bother with the Ruger? As long as they keep making 458 WM brass, you're set.

And the same could be asked about Ruger brass. Who knows if or when that may disappear.

All the endless hype about the WSM and the WSSM. Dying on the vine already? Those rifles will be doing duty as fence posts soon.

Now some other baloney cartridge from Ruger.

Long live the 416 Taylor!

I second the 416 Taylor for one simple reason, availability of parent cartridges to form from, either 338 Win, or 458 Win brass, I did buy some Jameson brass for my 416 Taylor and ouch did it hurt my wallet.

Just wanted to thank your for the books which made it safely, they are both great and much appreciated. Worth every penny plus.

Also I think both the Taylor and Ruger are great cartridges, Have one of each built on Mauser actions. Both a pleasure to shoot.

Cheers,

Glenn

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Originally posted by Will:
If the Taylor works, why bother with the Ruger? As long as they keep making 458 WM brass, you're set.

And the same could be asked about Ruger brass. Who knows if or when that may disappear.

All the endless hype about the WSM and the WSSM. Dying on the vine already? Those rifles will be doing duty as fence posts soon.

Now some other baloney cartridge from Ruger.

Long live the 416 Taylor!

Glad the books arrived okay.

Good luck on your upcoming hunts.

Bill

Will, I think the RCMs from ruger are the most practicle of all the short-fat mags. Alittle less capacity than the winnies and remmies but enough; I think they'll survive.

Hello again,

Thanks, we shall be sorting out a further order with you when we get sorted from SCI and Harrisburg.

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Originally posted by Will:
Glad the books arrived okay.

Good luck on your upcoming hunts.

Bill