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Has anyone heard of this wildcat? If a rifle were chambered for this, could one also shoot .416 (Rem or Rigby?) or is it that one can shoot .404 in it, or perhaps neither? Thanks for any input - obviously I don't understand the designation! ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | ||
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Is that not the .416 Dakota? If so, you would not be able to fire a .416 Rem. or .416 Rigby in that chamber. In the U.S., a .416-.404 would be a .404 (.423" bore diameter) necked down to .416, just as a .22-250 is a .250 Savage necked down to .224". George  | |||
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I've always wanted to neck down my .423 404 Jeffery to .408 so I could use just one size bullet for both my double and the bolt rifle. The 408. Chyenne Tactical uses the 505 Gibbs as a parent case. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Hang on Doesn't the rem mag and rigby require different bolt faces Theres no way you could shoot off both these cases in the one gun. I would have thought only the rem mag regards S&F | |||
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Its a 404 Jeff necked down to accept .416 bullets. The 2 number designations in wild cats just usually means the parent case (404) and the new bullet (416) The brits did it backwards, 450/400 NE would be a 450 case necked down to 400. 416/404 would be almost the same as a 404/375 RUM, or as stated above, a 416 Dakota. All 3 are based on the same case, but would have varying shoulder positions, angles, case taper... If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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There is also a .416 Tatanka, which is the 404 Jeffery necked down to .416. You can find it at: www.ammoguide.com A guy named "Bo" did it long before I thought of using "Tatanka" as a wildcat name. | |||
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Thanks to all for the information. I came across one of these and thought I could re barrel it, and wanted to figure out if it would feed the 404 or 416. The seller did not know.... Thank you. ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | |||
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Do not know if your action would hold it, but a pretty cool conversion would be to just make the 450-400 rimless in a lathe. I have done this with .470NE, and it works just fine. You would use your old die set and have correct stamped cases. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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With the help of a fine gunsmith I built a 416 on the 450-400 case in the one and only double rifle that I have ever built. It was a neat project, I sold the gun sometime later but I still have the dies. Anyone interested in a set of RCBS 450-416 dies?  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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By way of showing there is nothing new under the sun, Gil Van Horn built his 423 & 416 Van Horns on 460G&A cases which in turn were necked up & improved 404 Jeffery cases back in the 70s or early 80s. The 423 VH would have been little more than a 404 Jeffery improved, the 416 VH pretty much like a slim hipped 416 Rigby with a similarly fairly long neck. I always fancied one of the latter on a P14 action. I'd build it with RUM brass now though. Steve | |||
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