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.416-.404 Caliber?
27 September 2008, 10:58
404WJJeffery.416-.404 Caliber?
Has anyone heard of this wildcat?
If a rifle were chambered for this, could one also shoot .416 (Rem or Rigby?) or is it that one can shoot .404 in it, or perhaps neither?
Thanks for any input - obviously I don't understand the designation!
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27 September 2008, 17:51
GeorgeSIs that not the .416 Dakota? If so, you would not be able to fire a .416 Rem. or .416 Rigby in that chamber.
In the U.S., a .416-.404 would be a .404 (.423" bore diameter) necked down to .416, just as a .22-250 is a .250 Savage necked down to .224".
George
27 September 2008, 18:09
RustyI've always wanted to neck down my .423 404 Jeffery to .408 so I could use just one size bullet for both my double and the bolt rifle.
The 408. Chyenne Tactical uses the 505 Gibbs as a parent case.
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27 September 2008, 19:34
ShortandFatHang on
Doesn't the rem mag and rigby require different bolt faces
Theres no way you could shoot off both these cases in the one gun. I would have thought only the rem mag
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28 September 2008, 01:33
MileHighShooterIts a 404 Jeff necked down to accept .416 bullets. The 2 number designations in wild cats just usually means the parent case (404) and the new bullet (416) The brits did it backwards, 450/400 NE would be a 450 case necked down to 400.
416/404 would be almost the same as a 404/375 RUM, or as stated above, a 416 Dakota. All 3 are based on the same case, but would have varying shoulder positions, angles, case taper...
If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter!
28 September 2008, 02:15
RIPThere is also a .416 Tatanka, which is the 404 Jeffery necked down to .416.
You can find it at:
www.ammoguide.comA guy named "Bo" did it long before I thought of using "Tatanka" as a wildcat name.
28 September 2008, 08:17
404WJJefferyThanks to all for the information. I came across one of these and thought I could re barrel it, and wanted to figure out if it would feed the 404 or 416. The seller did not know....
Thank you.
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30 September 2008, 11:11
Bent Fossdalquote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
I've always wanted to neck down my .423 404 Jeffery to .408 so I could use just one size bullet for both my double and the bolt rifle.
Do not know if your action would hold it, but a pretty cool conversion would be to just make the 450-400 rimless in a lathe. I have done this with .470NE, and it works just fine. You would use your old die set and have correct stamped cases.
Bent Fossdal
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01 October 2008, 03:00
AtkinsonWith the help of a fine gunsmith I built a 416 on the 450-400 case in the one and only double rifle that I have ever built. It was a neat project, I sold the gun sometime later but I still have the dies. Anyone interested in a set of RCBS 450-416 dies?
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
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Filer, Idaho, 83328
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01 October 2008, 15:22
ShinzoBy way of showing there is nothing new under the sun, Gil Van Horn built his 423 & 416 Van Horns on 460G&A cases which in turn were necked up & improved 404 Jeffery cases back in the 70s or early 80s. The 423 VH would have been little more than a 404 Jeffery improved, the 416 VH pretty much like a slim hipped 416 Rigby with a similarly fairly long neck. I always fancied one of the latter on a P14 action. I'd build it with RUM brass now though.
Steve
