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Originally posted by EKG:
First off hello everyone! Secondly I have no experience hunting. Just thought I would get that out of the way.

I don't want to piss in anyones cheerios, but I just don't get the .375 H&H.

In my opinion its not a stopping rifle, and it seems to have too much recoil for a hunting rifle, considering aforementioned fact.

Can the 9.3x62 not do everything the .375 can with less recoil? In addition to having a longer practical range and more versatility. Many people use the 9.3 as a dedicated elk or caribou gun. You can hunt elephant and cape buff with it can you not? The .375 seems way overkill for deer and boar, wheras the 9.3 is simply; "more then enough gun" in my opinion, which is distinctly different to me then overkill.

No, its not a stopping rifle, but then is the .375?

I just don't get it. Thoughts?

how you could make a post filled with so many ignorant statements.

Since your 'knowledge' is gleaned from written sources, can you tell me how many tomes mention the 9.3x62 vs. the .375H&H, especially using the 9.3x62 on thick-skinned DG?

In what country do 'many people use the 9.3 as their dedicated elk or caribou gun'? How many is 'many'?

Have you ever shot a .375H&H? Its recoil has never been termed objectionable. Hell, my wife shoots it with no trouble at all.

As for use on deer or boar, using bullets in the 235gr./250gr./270gr. range, the .375H&H it is quite an effective cartridge, as some of our Australian brethren can attest to.

Using a 300gr. bullet, the .375H&H has the same trajectory as a .30-06 with 180gr. bullets out to 300yds. How much farther and flatter can a 9.3x62 with 286gr. bullets shoot?

Never having hunted, how could you possibly know what is 'enough gun' and what is 'overkill'?

George

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In what country do 'many people use the 9.3 as their dedicated elk or caribou gun'? How many is 'many'?

European countries. I have no idea exactly how many many is, but they aren't a statistical anomaly like they are in America.

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Never having hunted, how could you possibly know what is 'enough gun' and what is 'overkill'?

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Since your 'knowledge' is gleaned from written sources, can you tell me how many tomes mention the 9.3x62 vs. the .375H&H, especially using the 9.3x62 on thick-skinned DG?

African Hunter magazine to both. I read their article on the 9.3x62 in the classic cartridges section.

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Originally posted by EKG:

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In what country do 'many people use the 9.3 as their dedicated elk or caribou gun'? How many is 'many'?

European countries. I have no idea exactly how many many is, but they aren't a statistical anomaly like they are in America.

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Never having hunted, how could you possibly know what is 'enough gun' and what is 'overkill'?

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Since your 'knowledge' is gleaned from written sources, can you tell me how many tomes mention the 9.3x62 vs. the .375H&H, especially using the 9.3x62 on thick-skinned DG?

African Hunter magazine to both. I read their article on the 9.3x62 in the classic cartridges section.

So, all your statements so far are either sheer speculation or based on a couple of articles?

Way to establish your credibility.

Next time you want to make an unsubstantiated blanket statement, don't.

George

Essentially yes, they are based on articles. I don't have enough money to shoot an elephant in any caliber, even if I wanted to.

I stated this at the very beginning of this thread, we are now two pages into it.

What I said about the 9.3x62 on thick skinned DG was absolutely not unsubstantiated. Its substantiated by hunter experience, first hand accounts and the AF article, which I consider reliable and so do many others.

If you're implying what I think you're implying (that the 9.3x62 is inadequate for thick skinned DG) then it is in fact your claim that is unsubstantiated.

I'd like to say again that I'm sorry for coming off sounding like a troll, I didn't intend to.

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Whatever, this: http://www.gunshop.com/vintage6.htm

Puts both of them to shame.

EKG,
I have several 375HHs and one 9.3x62, and I have shot various animals, including lion and leopard, with the 9.3, and buffalo with the 375HH, as has my son. , I personally perfer the 9.3 as a medium bore rifle to the 375HH, primarily because my 9.3 is much more accurate at 300 yds than my 375's. Both are very versatile rifles.

The recoil of a 10 pound 375 w/ 300gr bullets @ 2500 fps is 37.6ftlbs, and the recoil of a 10 pound 9.3 w/ 286gr bullets is 26.7ftlbs. The 375 actually has a greater increase in recoil over the 9.3, than a 400gr bullet from my 404 at 2240fps has over the 300gr 375: 37.6ftlbs v. 42.5 ftlbs.

I can only say that if I were hunting elephant, I'd like a .40 + caliber. If I am hunting where I might happen upon buffalo or other dangerous game that I am not hunting, a 9.3 is good. If I am hunting buffalo, I'd like a 375HH or even a 40 caliber.

Don't get hung up on paper ballistics. A person should hunt these animals with the largest caliber rifle with which they can comfortably and accurately shoot. Accuracy first, power second. In that regard, I am afraid that I have reached the age where a brake is certainly necessary for practice, and not unthinkable on the hunt for everything above a 375. Kudude

kudude, everything you said makes perfect sense to me, thanks for taking the time to reply. As a dedicated buffalo gun for a person who hunts them frequently, or doesn't already have a 9.3x62 and is good with it, a .375 makes perfect sense.

I am a fan of both calibers. I do not own a 9.3 yet, but I plan on remeding that in the next year or so.

I have used my 375 H&H on a elk and a moose which is not a real test of its capabilities by any means. Performance was excellent though a one shot kills with no complaints.

On the praise of the 375 H&H, it has a few points that are not trival. First is component availability, its much easier to find 375 bullets than 9.3, at least in my neck of the woods. I also have the flexibility of buying Hornady and reasonably priced bullets for practice rounds. Another item I like with the 375 H&H is that it has very similar ballistic path to a 30-06. I can swap between my 06 and my 375 and range limitations and bullet drop are virtually the same, being dialed in two rifles in the field falls into my KISS principal.

African experience I have none, I will leave that to individuals with the experience to comment, but for North Amererican use ( Alaska and Canada ) the 375 H&H has only one serious competetor in my mind and thats a 338 Win Mag.

Like I said I am not knocking the 9.3 but I don't see it as being as flexible for my purposes as the 375 H&H.

Before someone decides to beat me up on my component availability statement, I am talking walking into a store and walking out with ammo, bullets and or brass. I know you can mail order 9.3 stuff, but I can walk into 4 stores back home and walk out with either loaded 375 ammo, or a selection of components to use on the bench, I can't do that with 9.3 and trust me I have looked, simply is special order and not stocked. And if 9.3 isn't readily available at home, that means if I ever needed a box when I was traveling to a hunt the odds are zip of that happening. Maybe Africa is differnet I just don't know but where I have hunted one choice is a mainstay, and the other is an odd ball. From that perspective alone the 375 shadows any 9.3 caliber advantages.

If your willing to work with the limitations of a 9.3 in North America ( I definately am ) its a fine caliber, but I just don't see it in the same class as the 375 H&H when practical is factored into the equation.

Thats very true, but you must admit thats no fault of the cartridge

Its simply a matter of circumstance, but you're right it does factor into the .375s greatness.