I seen a 10.75x68 Guild rifle(no name) at a show today in very nice condition and is built in the traditional european style with excellent workmanship. It has a nice full length rib, about an 1/8" tall and its checkered, sort of to reduce glare. The sites are nice, hell the whole gun was nice, Even though the bbl was a heavier taper, maybe a #3 or #4 it was fairly light weight, perhaps 7.5lbs. The price was $1200 but after some talk about these type rifles he told me he would take $1000. He also had a really nice 9.3x62 JP Saur for $1800 with the EAW claw mounts. They were not the best he had though..he had just bought out a collector and the other ones were not for sale and I could understand why. The workmanship on these were incredible. Anyway, is the 10.75x68 worth $1000?

Woody

only if you really want that particular caliber.

Finding dies and brass may prove problematic, compared to say, a 404J or the 9,3x62 or 64 Brennecke. The .424" bullets WILL! be a nightmare to locate...and darned expensive to boot.

Having said this, within 15 minutes six people will post a response telling you where to buy brass and bullets cheaper than I buy 22 Hornet components, and offer to give you a set of dies...

Rich
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Rich,
Doesn't the 10.75x68 Mauser use the same .423 caliber bullet as a .404 Jeffery (10.75x73), only a 350 grainer instead of a 400 grainer?

Woodleigh makes plenty of bullets for it.

Brass? Horneber?

It has the slightest shoulder of any factory rimless rifle cartridge I know of, but it seems to work just fine.

It is a real powerhouse for such a small package. Better than a 400 Whelen or 411 Hawk all around.

lb404 and Ray A were crazy about them. A great gun for the elderly. No offense, Leonard.

Woodrow:

I cannot comment on the rifle's value but I can offer some insight to a 10.75x68mm Mauser as I have one unlike the previous poster.

Dies are expensive. CH4D are less expensive than RCBS, which are around $225.00 or so from RCBS. Quality brass from Horneber is also expensive, around $2.00 per round. Bullets are .423, not .424, and are readily available and easily found from Woodleigh, North Fork, GS Custom, Swift, Barnes, and probably others. Cost is relative as most big bore bullets are not cheap. Various weights from the traditional 347 grain bullets to the 400 grain bullets that are used for the .404 Jeffery can be used in the 10.75 depending on your rifle, chamber and magazine box length.

Reloading data is scarce but available. Mike at North Fork or Geoff at Woodleigh can offer advice.

www.huntingtons.com can help you with dies, brass,and bullets.

It is not an inexpensive rifle to feed but I feel that it is worth it. You will have to decide if it is worth it to you.


Good Luck.

RCG

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
I seen a 10.75x68 Guild rifle(no name) at a show today in very nice condition and is built in the traditional european style with excellent workmanship. It has a nice full length rib, about an 1/8" tall and its checkered, sort of to reduce glare. The sites are nice, hell the whole gun was nice, Even though the bbl was a heavier taper, maybe a #3 or #4 it was fairly light weight, perhaps 7.5lbs. The price was $1200 but after some talk about these type rifles he told me he would take $1000. He also had a really nice 9.3x62 JP Saur for $1800 with the EAW claw mounts. They were not the best he had though..he had just bought out a collector and the other ones were not for sale and I could understand why. The workmanship on these were incredible. Anyway, is the 10.75x68 worth $1000?

Woody

If the rifle is in good original condition (no modifications), and a pre-war build on a M98 Mauser, then it is definitely worth the price. The Sauer is worth it too.

RCG,
You are right. I don't have one, but I have fired lb404's classic.

There are some of those 10.75x68's that have been rechambered to sporty 7.5# 10.75x73's. Horrors! That is called a .404 Jeffery abortion.

RIP:

I was addressing my comments to Idaho Sharpshooter. Your comments weren't posted when I started typing my post.

I agree with your comments on some conversions of 10.75's to .404's. My original Oberndorf 10.75 is light and I would not alter it. I don't think my magazine box would allow a full length .404 anyway as many of the prewar Oberndorf Mauser's had cartridge specific magazine's if I recall correctly. I might be able to squeeze out a little COL on my reloads but that is all.

Both lb404 and Ray have been helpful in my initial exposure to this unique old cartridge.

Regards,

RCG

If the bore is still good, the barrel is worth $1000. Sounds like a cool rifle. I bought CH4D dies for about $125 and Bertram brass (cause it was on sale) but I would recommend Horneber:

WoodrowS,

like I said...

Rich
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Thanks for the advice/info. everyone. I knew I could count on at least a few to comment so I could get a better idea of what I might want to do. This is going to be a tough one. I will repost with pics. IF it ends up in my safe.

Woody

I would have bought it 10.75x68... in fact, was facing nearly exactly the same thing.. it was a non-name (probably a cigerette gun.. it had no markings to indicate guild maker) ... for "Best deal" of 975....

something was bugging me, and I looked MUCH more closely at it, and it had been rebored to 458 and chambered for winmag. I pointed that out, and that it was still marked as 10.75x68. the guy THEN says "yeah..." blah blah... it is a 458"... I put my money back in my pocket, and asked him
"that was once a nice rifle, would you take $200 for that hacked up and ruined rifle?"

I've shot one of fla-3006 10.75x68... just SWEET
jeffe

The gun at Cabela's has some problems (rear sight is wrong, Lyman 48 is not original and 1/2 oct barrel does not look right in the pics but might be ok), but if it's a real Oby Mauser sporting rifle in 10.75 and the barrel is correct it would be still be worth more than $1200 (no where near the $5000 asking price IMO).

RCG,

I went down to Cabela's in Boise earlier that day.
They could not find any components or ammunition, etc...had never even heard of the cartridge. Also called Murl's Tackle Box & Hunting Emporium & Donut Shop...no luck there either. Read the follow up comment of the original post...does the word facetious mean anything?

regards,


Rich

PS. The $1200 was a generous figure for that old German sodbuster's bolt gun. Let's face it, one can find 1950s .375H&H Winchester in very good shape for $1800-2000US. Better rifle, better cartridge.

If you decide to buy it please post some pictures. If you decide to pass, please advise me as to whom owns the rifle as I would gladly add it to my collection.

We all get wound up on the brass issue. If you want common ammo or calibers stay with the boreing stuff. If you like to load and shoot, ultimately, the pleasure you get from some of the more exotic calibers are definitely worth the time and expense. Remember, once you have brass amd dies, the price to shoot them is barely worth talking about. I use premium bullets in all of my rifles. They cost more for sure but once you nail down the load you don't shoot them off like a varmint rounds nyway.

it will come down, eventually, to whether you drive a ferrari or a Dodge diesel pickup. If you have the $$$ for the new Enzo ($3.2mil per) the cost is not a factor, for anything. But, you are not "bolt action trash" as some define it either, 99% of the time. The question has to be: what do you plan to do with it, and where. If you structure work around a dozen six week safaris to Africa and Asia every year...buy it. If you are like me, and will scrimp and save two years for a buffalo and zebra/kudu hunt, you want a rifle you can afford to feed and shoot year round. My modest arsenal gets used a lot, big game here, and ventilating a couple hundred frozen-water filled milk jugs, etc every year. I have even taken all of them rockchuck shooting once or twice a spring. Stalking the wily wild marmot within 100 yards with a .500 3" NE Krieghoff double is very sporting.

If you want, it and you do not have to rob money from the household...buy it and enjoy it. I have been looking at a 470, but $240 for a ten pack of Kynoch is a little extreme for me. If I can't run out to the range and empty a Case-Gard 50 without taking a second mortgage out... it ain't worth owning.

Rich
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