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or even feisable to turn a .416 Rem into a .416 Rigby?? I shoot lefty and really would like to own the Rigby calibre, but CZ doesn't make one in a lefty model (or so I've seen), and the only one's I've found thus far have been out of my price range for a bolt gun (recently bought SGraves 470 Chapuis!  ).. I've thought about buying a lefty Remington in 416 Rem and having it re-chambered into the Rigby.. Can it be done? What would something like that run in terms of cost?? I know, I know...push feed..  | ||
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seems you could more easily turn a CZ 375 into a 404J. | |||
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Scottyboy, I expect the effort would be significant due to the limitations of the Rem. 700 action length and magazine. If you can find a LH Weatherby Mk. V in .378Wby or .460Wby. (which are based on a belted .416 Rigby case), the conversion could be as simple as rebarreling. George  | |||
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Scotty, CZ does make there CZ 550 mag in 375 that can be turned into a rigby with an opening of the boltface and some gunsmithing magic. Only trouble, is they are charging 1400-1800 for the damn things. Talk about the lefty's paying the bill  .I dont think the Rem is either really long enough, or has enough "meat" in it to do a full size rigby. I know Tip Burns has done a few 404 on MRC 1999 actions, and Mark X 98's. That would be a classic round, that would fit. I have seen 2 M70, winchesters, and one 98 that had been converted to a rigby, but each one of those guns cost an arm and a leg, but were well done. So it can be done, If that is the case then a Rigby can be done on a 1999 action, just will the gunsmith do it!  Scotty, your best bet would be to find a lefty WBY V in a 378 based cal and convert it to a rigby, you can even get a drop box from the wby custom shop for just under 200 dollars and it will hold 3 down. The really only affordable choices for us lefty's is, MRC 1999, M70 winne (price goes up every day), WBY markV, and Rem 700 Ed DRSS Member | |||
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have you talked to Wayne at AHR yet about pricing one? That would be my first stop. Rich DRSS | |||
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LH cz 550 magnum onm 375 HH +416 rigby barrel +open boltface +mag and follower +$500 bucks no, one can't, in the cases I am aware of, change anything short of a GMA or other huge lefty action from 416 rem to 416 rigby practically, there's no difference sell the 416 rem, buy the cz, add 500 bucks or so. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Dang Jeffe, $500 get's you a long way. Barrel blank (mcgowen to krieger) $155-$300 Mag box and follower $40 Re-blue, QPQ or Coat (unless SS)$125-$275 Re-install sights $40-$75 Cut-chamber-crown barrel--$225-$300 Any feeding work on a CZ $50 I see 650 on the low side and $1000 on the high side, plus the 1400-1600 for the cost of the CZ. Granted it will be a first class weapon when done right, but... Still WBY mark V I bought one 3 weeks ago for 700 shipped, all the stuff+ the drop box from wby is 1040-- cost $ 1740--- humm about the cost of the CZ alone  Ed DRSS Member | |||
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ah.. that wasn't clear .. SELL the 416 rem and get a cz, and add 500 ... OR cz+parts+500 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Sounds like I thought it would...a pain in the ass!! As far as the CZ, I cannot for the life of me pay what they want for a damned lefty.. Highway robbery! The cost is a huge turnoff when you are paying damned near double what a right handed gun is going for.. and on top of that, it's a gun that you have to get it tweaked by AHR to get it where you want it.. If it comes down to getting a CZ, I'll end up just buying a right-handed Rigby.. I own more righty rifles already as it it!! I had a feeling that the Rem action would be just a bit too short for the makeover.. The Weatherby option sounds like it my be my best bet. As all of us southpaws know, there is just no love in the shooting world for us!! Ive grown quite used to it over the years though. That Rigby on AHR he has listed for sale is BEAUTIFUL (albiet righty).. I have drooled over that one for weeks now. | |||
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.. I guess when one wants a certain round , that is what they want .. However here is another 416 option ...... 416 Ruger . Ruger left hand actions are easy to come by .And it gives the same basic performance ...... Or a 416 AccRel , or have one converted to 416 Rem Mag by moving the ejector and bolt stop back and putting in a Ruger 77 Magnum box and follower ....... 3 great options for the Southpaw .... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I know this will likely sound like an absolute silly approach, but if you can't kill it with a 416 rem mag, is the 416 Rigby really the answer? __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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Terminal ballistics are the same. Still, there is something classic about a Rigby. It amazes me, first came the rigby, it fell into obscurity. Enter the 416 rem, its proves itself as an effective cartridge (some of the rifles were a different story). The remington started to fade about, and now the rigby is gaining steam and passing up the rem in numbers of rifles sold. John | |||
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BBB hit it right.. The Rem will do anything I want it too, but I just want the Rigby caliber... Why?? Just because.. I like knowing that it's a classic in the pipe, not just another run of the mill.. Kinda like driving a 65 Mustang, or a 2004 Ford Focus.. Both will get you where you want to go.. the 'stang will get you there with a touch of class and style! | |||
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Scotty I love the Rigby, big case, modern case dim., it just a good looking round. Go for it dude! Us lefty"s" have to work for our stuff, but when we get it, well; its worth it! DRSS Member | |||
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i'll ask, just how do you back that statement up? Certainly not in the number of companies offering, on a retail basis, new 416 rigby rifles .. under $2k, there's TWO.. ruger and cz opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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This is one of those armchair statistics. As far as I know, the only us mfg chambering 416 rem is remington. I can't think of any 416 rem off thr top of my head for non us mfg. Sako chambered the remington but is no longer being imported by beretta. Win m70 was chambered in 416 rem, but we are still waiting for them to come around again. Neither davidson's or lipseys lists any rifle with 416 Rem. It seems amongst a few of the custom mfgs I am aware of (a small sampling Im sure) 416 rigby is picked over the 416 rem. Reloading dies for the 416 rigby are moving faster than 416 rem (of course, that is probably due to saturation rather than popularity). Norma and winchester both added 416 rigby to their ammo line up. Of course, this means nothing in the real world. The two are equivalent, the difference is the Rigby has the heritage, the Rem has the economy. Again, I found it odd to see how the cartridges ebb and flow over time. I think the Rigby has a long way to go to catch up with the number of 416 Rems out there, but the Rigby has a big impetus at the moment. Now with the advent of the 416 Ruger, you now have three cartridges that do the same thing. The good news, 416 bullets should be around for a while. John | |||
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If you don't need the rifle for dangerous game, you can look at the Ruger #1, its ambidextrous! John | |||
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I have one of the CZ 550's in left hand, I believe it was the first LH upgrade AHR did. It was expensive but it is worth it. It is far better than the two LH Model 70 classics I own. If CZ would come down to a more reasonable price I would own several. | |||
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I might do just that... wait a bit and see if CZ is going to be willing to bring the cost on the lefties down a bit.. If they do, I might have a fully custom rig built by the boys at AHR.. They have a Rigby on their website right now for sale that is BEAUTIFUL gun!! I'd LOVE to have that exact gun in a leftie!! Still might kick the idea of the WBY around as well! Thanks for all the useful info guys. I learn alot from all you gun nuts that frequent this joint!! | |||
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John, thanks for being fair .. but if you include custom guns on that, then the rem FAR outsells it.. winchesters are still being redone to 416 rem, every day! here's the deal.. the rigby would only fits in a small number of actions .. the CZ, the RSM, the weatherby, GMA, and magnum mausers.. the 416 rem fits in LOTS more actions, as well as the 416 ruger, 416 taylor, and 416 AR .. Trust me, if midway thought they could make more money from a rechambered rigby, they would drop the taylor chambering its largely a question of FIT .. anything that can take a 375HH can fairly easily be rebarreled to rem (or the others) .. Custom guns are NO baseline for judging caliber popularity .. if that were the case, then the 505 gibbs, 500 jeffe, and 358 winchester, along with the 280 AI would be the "most" popular cartridges on the planet.. Instead, one of the things that custom gun makers provide is a rare caliber in a nice rifle. Very few persons are going to pay 10k for a 270, though I know some that have. In fact, Scottyboy's position is closer to normal. He could have a left handed cz550 for no more than 3k .. or about what a GMA action costs by itself. When remginton and winchester were going head to head, one can readily understand that the remington had THOUSANDS of US made rifles made.. seriously, thousands. the 404, and NOT the rigby, is actually the working rifle of the PH and game scouts, until the 458 winmag .. goes against "cannon" or "fannon" of africa, as shelby sold his (nearly unique) rigby-on-a-mauser98 so well. food for thought opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The 404 is the most realistic of the big bore calibers, its a shame it is not chambered in any modern reasonable priced sporting arms. An dit is the true African history, not just what was written about. Of course, sometimes we love the lore. Again, not slighting the Rem at all. On the business end, they are all the same. I don't think any 416 is in danger of dying, but it is strange that there are 4 cartridges out there that do exactly the same thing. And then there is the 416 Wby, fine gun, but a bit on the brutish side to fire. If winchester was still chambering the 416 Rem, I would have bought one instead of a RSM in Rigby. 'Nuff said! This is the first time I can remember when more factory rifles are being chambered in Rigby over Rem. Just kinda funny how things move in giant circles in the industry. John | |||
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