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Just this weekend past I saw, withing hours, the huge difference in effect (yes effect) between the 458 watts with 510 gr sp vs the 458 winmag with 405 gr rems...



the 458 killed pigs, just dead.



the watts "shattered" them, instant kills...



Of course, a pig doesn't offer alot of resistence to a .458 bullet.

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jeffeosso,

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Just this weekend past I saw, withing hours, the huge difference in effect (yes effect) between the 458 watts with 510 gr sp vs the 458 winmag with 405 gr rems...

the 458 killed pigs, just dead.

the watts "shattered" them, instant kills...

Of course, a pig doesn't offer alot of resistence to a .458 bullet.

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I have a few questions if you don't mind:

1.) What are the muzzle velocities of the 458, 405 Win load, and the 458 Watts, 510 load? 2300 watts < !--color-->

2.) Did both the Winnie and the Watts loads penetrate completely through? yes < !--color-->

3.) You stated the 405 gr bullets used in the Winnie were Remingtons, what make/style were the 510 gr bullets used in the Watts? watts 500gr hrn sp< !--color-->

4.) How big was the hog shot with the Winnie? 150+< !--color-->

5.) How big was the hog shot with the Watts? 300+ < !--color-->

6.) Was the hog shot with the Winnie aware of the hunter, or not? yes< !--color-->

7.) Was the hog shot with the Watts aware of the hunter, or not? yes < !--color-->

8.) Where was the point of impact of the Winnie bullet on the hog? head and out the head< !--color-->

9.) Where was the point of impact of the Watts bullet on the hog? shoulder and out the head< !--color-->

10.) What was the angle of the hog to the shot with the Winnie? 90 < !--color-->

11.) What was the angle of the hog to the shot with the Watts? striaght away @ 45< !--color-->

12.) What was the diameter of the jelled/bloodshot meat in the wound channel with the Winnie? doesn't matter< !--color-->

13.) What was the diameter of the jelled/bloodshot meat in the wound channel with the Watts? doesn't matter < !--color-->

14.) What was the range to the hog shot with the Winnie? 30yrd < !--color-->

15.) What was the range to the hog shot with the Watts? 30 yrd< !--color-->

16.) If bullets were recovered what was the expanded diameter of the Winnie bullet? no way were they recovered< !--color-->

17.) If bullets were recovered what was the expanded diameter of the Watts bullet? no way recovered < !--color-->

18.) If bullets were recovered what was the retained weight of the Winnie bullet?

19.) If bullets were recovered what was the retained weight of the Watts bullet?

20.) Got any pictures of these dead hogs? lotts< !--color-->

Thanks,

ASS_CLOWN

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I use bullets from Cast Performance. Usually they don�t expand at all I think if I hold them at 1800 f/s to 1900 f/s (I have never found any bullet yet). I have shot them in wet newspaper at that velocity and after traveling trough 48" they had not expand at all.

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I have not shoot any big animal with my almost expanding bullet Lee Cast 450gr (to the right) at 1115ft/s

But since i could measure that the bullet did expand, last spring I shot a beaver ( Castor fibre ) with it and I almost lost it is since it took about 20s before the animal understood that the hart did not work any more.
Maybe your load with higher speed give more impact but ...

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Rob,

I have shot some smaller animals with my .585 Nyati with woodleigh 650 gr Black powder .577 bullets doing around 2400 fps may be 2500 fps and I have seen the effect your describing.

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