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Alf,
I just went to the website at www.ruger.com
And found it still listing the .375 H&H, .416 Rigby and .458Lott at MSRP of $2334.00
for
M77 Mark II - Magnum also shown as M77RSM Mark II.

I did not find the .338 Lapua Magnum that was once catalogged in the RSM.

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Alf,
I cannot monitor all the rags, so I come here to get you and others to do it for me.
I have heard gossip about discontinuation of the RSM here, but figured it was just speculation.
The rags selectively omit things, maybe this is the case with the RSM?
The website I visited was dated 2007, but spoke of sold-out Gold Label shotguns that were being "redesigned" and would be available again in mid 2008.

Hopefully someone will be updating the RSM if it is discontinued.

I would gladly trade the integral quarter rib and recoil plate of the RSM for a lengthened Hawkeye action with the standard recoil lug on the action, and two cross bolts.

Stay tuned for the scoop or nonscoop, whatever it turns out to be.

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My buddy just called a Ruger dealer he knows…

They received notice from Ruger in late 07 that Ruger will be discontinuing the RSM and availability will be limited to current inventory…

I guess this is how rumors get started….

But this has been bantered about for a while…

Ruger is famous for saying something is coming out or being discontinued and then doing the opposite…

I don’t think the RSM (or the #1) was ever a money maker for them….

quote:

Originally posted by trophyhunter5000:

Ruger is famous for saying something is coming out or being discontinued and then doing the opposite…

So RSM production may have been stopped as of now, but there are still some new ones that need to be snapped up before the price goes higher?

Guys, L. David Keith and I were in Dallas last weekend. LDK is a good friend of Randall Pence of Ruger and we ran into him in their booth there. We handled several new offerings and I have to say I really like some of the things they're doing.

I quizzed him about this rumor of the RSM being discontinued. He said absolutely not. That it was one of Ruger's favorite rifles. The only problem they had with the RSM was that they couldn't seem to make enough of them. He said thay had a target of 2500 last year, but only made about 1400 of them. He said they were here to stay. They're just looking for ways to make them faster and maintain quality. That's not verbatim, but the jist of what he told LDK and I. FWIW. I have to say, Randall is one of the nicest people I talked to at the DSC show, and that's saying a lot.

They had 2 of them (416 Rigby and 458 Lott) on display, so I doubt they're going to axe them if they were displaying them. Ruger is making more and more "classic" calibers, so I think it's unlikely they'll drop these all together. The "Boddington" special run of No. 1's is a prime example. I don't remember all the offerings, but there will be 5 chamberings, including 450/400, 450 N.E., and I think 7x57. I like the way they're thinking on these old faithfuls.

David Walker

quote:

They're just looking for ways to make them faster and maintain quality.

I don't think they'll drop the chamberings...

But I beleive that the RSM as we know it may not continue to exist much longer...

And the ones that are left over will probably demand a premium...

Although I'd like to see a simpler more affordable design like the Hawkeye available in the bigger chamberings...

Sumbuddy who know if ruger is making the 9.3x74R in a Ruger No.1???

I thought some members here had them already but I have been waiting on one I ordered several months ago

The market has been flooded with 450/400 3" No.1's, but where are the 9.3x74R's???

I can't imagine ruger makes much on them, considering the barrel work involved...

but, you know, if the did one with a regular barrel, and made the RSM action available to builders, now THERE is something to get excited about..

its a HUGE dual square bridged 3 position safety action that can eat 505 gibbs or rigby based rounds with no trouble whatever
jeffe

RIP, I have a No.1 in 9.3, if anyone can find you one its Chuck Boggs @ 304-344-1900.

He found mine for me, and the price is right also............JJ

probably overwhelmed by the demand for the 375R...



Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
probably overwhelmed by the demand for the 375R...



Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Rich,
Yer buddy Brian Pearce seems to like his 375 Ruger. Least, thats what he says in the recent issue of Rifle magazine. Maybe he'll let you shoot it so you can at least knock if after you've tried it.



Cheers,
Canuck

Canuck,

Brian's would be the fifth one I have chronographed and shot in since 1 Dec, 2007. Secondly, everyone that has praised the 375R cartridge has been given one and taken to Africa for a hunt that would run the rest of us more than TWENTY-THOUSAND DOLLARS!! Brian would be the lone exception, and he may be going in 2008.

You buy me a Savage Model 340 in 38-55 and an all expenses paid trip to Africa hunting buffalo, etc and I will not only go and write a glowing report about the finest rifle every built and the best 375 caliber stopping cartridge ever chambered in it; I will kiss your ass and give you 24 hours to draw a crowd. I get a 50-50 split on the concessions!

I've known Brian since 1978 and I began my professional writing career a short time later.

The next article you read in ANY gun or outdoors magazine that has anything uncomplimentary to say about a current production hunting firearm will be the first one in the history of the printed media. Just read the glowing reports of the Kimber Caprivi, and standard length action ground away in most areas to allow the 375H&H loaded rounds to chamber. They have to be placed in the rear of the action at an angle and pushed backwards so they will go into the magazine. A quick reload under fire will be impossible! A charging buff will kill you if the PH does not get him, because you won't be reloading fast enough. They gave people rifles and took them to Africa, and none of those people noticed...?
The gun writing field has more "journalistic whores" than any other group except motorcycle magazine writers. I know, I've written for both for three decades now. You write one critical article and you are a pariah for the rest of your life. I know, I've talked with manufacturers who have told me "if you find a problem, return the firearm to us and we'll rectify it.". In private. One bad review kills a new product. It will also terminate your advertising contract with that company.
Firearm magazine reviews are like guys who just got laid for the second time in their life. They are experts now, and "It's all good!!" is all they can say. Ever badmouth a woman you were having sexual relations with? It's the best/fastest way to end a relationship...if you survive. Every wonder why no gun magazines have much to say about the 798/799? It's because they all know the current import crop is junk, but Remington's ad budget helps pay their salary, and there are those annual writers seminars, and free firearms and hunting trips. What's that story about killing the goose that lays all those golden eggs?

I do not know if you are old enough to remember the glowing articles written about the "New and vastly Improved" Model 70 bolt action rifles all the gun magazines wrote in 1964, but nobody had anything uncomplimentary to say about them at the time either.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Just jerkin your chain again Rich. Since I know you know Brian, and defended him on the 45-57/cape buffalo article he wrote, I couldn't resist mentioning that he seems to approve of the 375 Ruger.

Does this...

quote:

The next article you read in ANY gun or outdoors magazine that has anything uncomplimentary to say about a current production hunting firearm will be the first one in the history of the printed media.

...mean I shouldn't believe his praise of the 45-70 and Garrett ammo either? (just can't help myself. )

This...

quote:

You buy me a Savage Model 340 in 38-55 and an all expenses paid trip to Africa hunting buffalo, etc and I will not only go and write a glowing report about the finest rifle every built and the best 375 caliber stopping cartridge ever chambered in it; I will kiss your ass and give you 24 hours to draw a crowd. I get a 50-50 split on the concessions!

..is classic. Thanks! LMAO!

Cheers,
Canuck

The Guns&Ammo 2008 Buyer's Guide shows the RSM for $1975.
On a new RSM, start your offer to local dealer at $1475 and see where it goes from there.
Load up on RSM's while you still can.

Yeah Rich, I really knew there was no Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny years ago... after I read a review of the potmetal RG 44 mag in American Rifleman. They said basically "For its intended use it serves its purpose"
I guess if Car & Driver had tested the Trabant, they would have said much the same! Lee.

With the US economy in a recession I bet we will see a lot of nice toys disappear from manufacture's catalogs. Only the most popular or profitable stuff will remain.

THis is off topic, but I must opine.

It is my belief, that if we do fall into a true recession, it will be, in large part, due to the "news" media (I use the word news loosely) talking us into it. They continuously preach doom and gloom and most Americans are naive enough to buy into it all. Stock prices go to hell because we listen to these fools tell us that things are going south. People rush out to "sell while they can" and stock prices fall like a rock. Don't believe everything you hear from the media. Good news doesn't sell, so they have to find, or create, something bad to report. Election years usually seem to bring some downswing in economics, but I'll admit that there are some things going on, such as the mortgage problems, that help that along.

Now back on topic. I'm really glad I decided to go ahead and get the RSM in Rigby earlier this month. Now I think I want a RSM in Lott. Just gotta find one. And then find the money to but it. If I could keep Uncle Sam out of my back pocket I could buy one no problem.

David

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Originally posted by greenjoy:
With the US economy in a recession

ummm, what recession? Definiton of recession: Two (2) consecutive quarters of negative growth in the GNP. Haven't had that happen and with employment still below 5.5%, I think we all need to stop listening to the media. Oh back on topic, I also spoke with the Ruger lads and nothing could be further from the truth. jorge

x2mosg & Jorge, I couldn't agree more; let's not forget about the political inclination of +-90% of the media. It is a political reality that the economy is historically the #1 issue among voters. A poor economy, as fabricated and delivered mantra-like by the media, is insurance against another conservative (I realize it's a stretch to call GWB a true conservative) winning the presidency....

Funny, I don't seem to remember the same level of media scrutiny over the late 90's economy, which was in fact smoke and mirrors as evidenced by the dot-com bubble burst of 2000-2001...must be dubya's fault...

Regards,
Craig Nolan

David, Craig, and Jorge, when I read what Greenjoy said my hand jumped to the reply button.

You guys said it for me and my blood pressure slowly came back to normal. Some folks on here and most of the news wags really p*** me off. They are agenda driven and don't really know the facts.

JBout,

The wags know the truth, they just don't like the truth. The truth doesn't always sell. Facts are facts. Human nature, or what it has become, leads us to all love death, destruction and mayhem. Look at the movies and tv shows that are out there now. Good news, uplifting movies, those don't sell. Bad news, strife, death, that sells and that's what they report. If it's not available, they make it up.

Ok, back off my soapbox, at least for now. I'm ready to shoot my RSM. I've got loaded rounds with 350 Speers over 53 grs. Accurate 5744 loaded up. Just gotta get it out of layaway now. I had to do my part to pay Jorge's salary (estimated taxes) last week, so I couldn't pick the rifle up. JK Jorge, you know how much I appreciate what you do. Anyway, I hope the RSM lives a long life. And I think it will. Ruger isn't every other gunmake, well not completely. They do things the others don't, they make cool toys for the really screwed up crowd like those around here. The rifle loonies.

Good evening all,

David Walker

quote:

Originally posted by x2mosg:
THis is off topic, but I must opine.

It is my belief, that if we do fall into a true recession, it will be, in large part, due to the "news" media (I use the word news loosely) talking us into it. They continuously preach doom and gloom and most Americans are naive enough to buy into it all. Stock prices go to hell because we listen to these fools tell us that things are going south. People rush out to "sell while they can" and stock prices fall like a rock. Don't believe everything you hear from the media. Good news doesn't sell, so they have to find, or create, something bad to report. Election years usually seem to bring some downswing in economics, but I'll admit that there are some things going on, such as the mortgage problems, that help that along.

Now back on topic. I'm really glad I decided to go ahead and get the RSM in Rigby earlier this month. Now I think I want a RSM in Lott. Just gotta find one. And then find the money to but it. If I could keep Uncle Sam out of my back pocket I could buy one no problem.

David

I wish this was true but it simply isn't.

Election years are typically postive years in the market for example.

I'm not sure most people understand that 100 Billion, yes billion with a B, has been written off by major banks in this mortgage/housing collapse and it isn't over. 218 Mortgage lenders have closed their doors and gone out of business so far.

Jobless numbers, credit card defaults, drops in cable, satelite and cell phone contracts, reduced spending are all showing up in the numbers now.

Take a look at the American Express numbers from last week, defaults have jumped huge and their best customers are buying less.

Now a recession can't officially be declared until after those two quarters of negative growth when many times the recession is winding down.

The bond market rallied long before the stock market finally started to pull back on recession fears and waited for the hard numbers. One could argue that most ignored the media to their peril.

No this isn't a "media" thing and yes the numbers are getting worse by the day.

Record numbers of people buying houses they could never afford, incredible amounts of credit card debit, and negative savings rates are hardly the makings of a healthy economy regardless of what the media says.

As everyone also knows inflation is far outpacing income growth, that is a sure recipe for trouble.

Just look at GM, their sales are in the toilet and they stated they will need to raise prices by $1,500 on vehicles because of raw material costs. Their sales numbers are aweful now, imagine their sales if this infact happens?