Me and the Orig. Wild Bill were talking (big mistake) and thinking (bigger mistake) and came with an unholy monster of a wildcat:

We need a source for 20mm Orelickon (sp) brass, let me start there. We're going to cut it back, blow it out to a straight walled case. We estimate a bore size between .900 and 1". We've tentatively named it "Attitude Adjuster" and tentatively given it a caliber of .960.

As for a the rifle itself, we're planning on getting either a State Arms or McBros .50BMG REPEATER action and are going to try to make the magazine hold two round and stick one down the pipe. We hope Lothar-Walther will make us a barrel of suitable bore size for the arm. Reamers we're going to get from PTG or JGS (since he does make extremely large reamers) and dies from CH4d or Redding(all custom of course). Stock will probably be a McBros. 50 BMG stock.

We'll use 50 BMG primers, something on the order of 300 grains of powder and several thousand grain bullet. We're hoping to push it around 2,000 feet per second, estimated energy should be around 21,000 Ftlbs and change.

Any encouragement, comments or accusations are welcomed by all, but especially from Saeed.

By the way, to answer this before hand, we are well aware we have W A Y too much time on our hands. Also, to those who are wondering exactly what we "need" this for anyway, it's insurance in case cape buff start wearing kevlar.

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Let us know if you guys have any brains left when you get finished. Damn! I wasn't thinking, you must not have any brains to be doing a project like that. hehehe

Have fun!

And for Petes sake don't blow yourself up.

we're sure the gun won't blow up since we'll be operating at relatively lower pressures, approximately 40,000 psi work pressure is our goal. The problem is shooting the damned thing. Recoil will be brobdignagian in scale.

We're currently auditioning for victi - er - test shooters, any takers?

txhunter, you sound a little jealous....

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Jealous! Not me. I mean who in their right mind would want to shot such a bohemoth. Get your clock cleaned and the snot knocked out of ya at the same time. Who would want that?

OK OK I do. At least once anyway. Tell us how the stars look after you fire that thing. hehehe

If that gun comes to Lake Jackson for test firing.....I want a piece of that action!!! Speaking figureatively and not literally of course.
Rod

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Looking forward to the video, it has to be a future classic

Curtis
The old western scrounger did and may still have 20mm cases and bullets. I remember seeing a barrel maker that made a 20mm barrel and if I can find it again will post.
Would love to see the video of this one being fired. Best of luck
BBS

IIRC www.pac-nor.com makes some 20mm (.825") barrels. Don't know who makes 'em bigger!

Don

I have heard (around the campfire) of a 20mm case necked down to a 50cal bullet. That also would be of great fun.
Steyer makes a 20mm rifle, they call it an "anti-matter rifle" Sound like a grand ol time..

Happy shootin
JAG

Kreiger makes a four bore barrel and when I build my eight bore,I plan on using them.

-Catter

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Shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well, and practice , practice, practice.

Curtis

For your first shot, I presume you will load only one round, and fire it offhand while sitting in a swing.

Will you measure recoil by how many times you and the swing are wrapped around the top bar?

Curtis,
You may want to check with the local Constabulary there in NY. Any time you go over .50 in diameter it is always a question weather the ATF (read Nazis) will consider it a "destructive device."

But it sure sounds like a good time!

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Hero of the Hapless
Master of the Obvious

Recono:

Our test firer will be given a sissy pad and a bench and sand bags from whic to fire from. We will be several hundred yards away in a reinforced bunker monitoring life signs.

J.W.:

If we every get this project rolling, we'd probably seek a varience from the BATF.

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Just a quick note. I can get 20mm cases for about 5 bucks a pop. Not cheap but then again, look at what your doing. I may donate a few for the cause. Anyway as soon as more come in I will let you know.

JAG

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He he he he.
Go for it!!!!!!!

This sure will be a dangerous device, I�m not sure on which end more dangerous.

Hey, don�t those BATF have to fire that pussycat, to determine in which category it will fit? ;-))

Have fun! Hermann

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Anybody here know about J.D. Jones' .9something he has on the website? (www.sskindustries.com) Sounds like what you are suggesting.

Fantastic idea. I assume this is for blue whales, and other like sized beasts, with 6 foot, 4 ton hearts

I mean, really, isn't a BMG enough???

But, I must say, I like the idea. Caliber is ALWAYS a wonderful thing, and, I would love to down load it, with say, a cast bullet, at 1800 fps, that weighs, oh, 1250 grains, for a plinking load.

Please: it would make a wonderful gun for a profesional hunter backup gun(heh, heh, heh...)

ROFL

gs

Jag,

Thanks for the offer but don't worry too much about the cases. We're really looking to but a bulk shipment preferrably from the same lot.

Thanks for the offer though

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Try these guys:

www.rvow.com

Can a 20mm shell go into a BMG action?

McMillan made 8 actions for the 20mm Vulcan case. Good luck finding one. That's what JD Jones used on his .950 JDJ.

On the FCAS site, there's a pic of a one-off BMG with a falling block action. How about a custom built falling block?

I know of a gunsmith in Austria who was planning a run of 14.5x114 bolt action rifles. Don't know what came of it.

For a barrel, why not a surplus piece from a 25mm cannon? Just a WAG, but I think that's what JD Jones used. Other than that, there are still some people who can make barrels in any bore you want. I believe Norbert, a poster from Germany, is having this done for a .750 cartridge.

A wacky idea I had, really just as a joke, is an ".800 Nitro Express"; lathe-turned brass, using a surplus 20mm barrel and projectiles.

Just look for a good used 20 MM Solothurn. I don't know where you would get the press and dies to reload the thing though. Bill T.

I got several e-mails asking about falling-block actions for the 20mm Vulcan and the .50BMG falling-block rifle at FCSA. I went to FCS and the photo is no longer there.

I don't know of anyone making custom falling-blocks this big, the mention of the BMG was just to show that it can be done. There's a a book offered through the magazine "Home Workshop Machinist" on building your own falling block.

My mention of an ".800 Nitro Express" was a what-if idea. Use surplus 20mm (.820") projectiles and a surplus barrel, then have some straightwall rimmed cases made on a lathe. Get some .50BMG or even 20mm Vulcan primers. Just a crazy idea.

So....who's gonna go for it?