Hi Guys

Here is a pic of a 500gn Hornady Interbond fired @ 2160 fps from 20 yds into 2ft of wet newspapers and a plywood board then a 25ly plastic bottle full of water. the bullet was lying in the sand behind the water bottle which had two neat holes in it rather than explode.

Weight tension was 82%.
Any thoughts or comments?
Would you hunt buff with it?

Regards

Mark

nice pic...

did you measure retained weight by total pieces of single largest chunk?

NICE
jeffe

Hi

Single largest chunk weighed 414 gns. The bits were all in the water jug.

Is this the bulet that they had some failures with while testing in Dande North earlier in 2006?

Personally, I wouldn't consider that bad at all for a soft point.....

500, I think you're referring to Hornady's copper and lead solids....without the steel inner jacket.

The weight retention of a similar caliber and weight North Fork SP would be in the 95% to 100%
range, on such a test.

There is something wrong with that jacket that it is so brittle and shatters so easily. Just bonding the lead inside of a bad bullet does not make it a good bullet, to paraphrase Mike Brady.

I think 500grains is right in pointing out that this is the bullet that nearly got a PH killed on its debut outing for cape buffalo.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Is this the bulet that they had some failures with while testing in Dande North earlier in 2006?

Ah, grasshopper speaks, again, of what he does not know. It appears the bufflo in question was shot, the shot was admired, the buff got up, and was shot 3 more times, total distance from first shot to last

about 20 yards.

bullet was a PASS THROUGH... wow, imagine that... what more penetration or bullet performance could POSSIBLY be needed.

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:
Personally, I wouldn't consider that bad at all for a soft point.....

500, I think you're referring to Hornady's copper and lead solids....without the steel inner jacket.

If it was the solid, that failed, that would be the brass encapsulated lead one, no?

I thought they were testing the new Interbond soft, not the solid that has been on the market for several years.

It does seem they are going back to the steel jacketed FMJ solid at Hornady however.

That would be great news. I saw Hornady introduce the new 375 Ruger and 450/400 ammo on Guns and Ammo TV yesterday. Boddington even shot a Ruger No1 on the show. The 450/400 ammo sure looks sexy!

465H&H

Hornady is using the same brass jacket material for both the new Interbond SP and the latest FMJ. (I have samples of both on hand)

As for 82% weight retention, not many years back that was considered very good. North Fork and other premium bullet makers have raised the bar. Remember guys these same big five animals were killed for a 100 years with Kynoch and other makes of non bonded bulletes. The critters have not mutated in to a tougher harder to kill version. All of that said, if I were going after buff or ele, Norht Forks or Bridgers would be "up the spout and in the box".

What I donot like about the new Inter-bond Hornady bullets is the price increase. Th old style Inter-Loc were 50 cents each, the new stuff is over a buck each. The "cheap" 500gr/.458" practice bullets are gone.

Keith

Hunter Formerly Known as Texas Hunter used these bullets on two buffalo in Tanzania in September and will never use them again. The bullets broke up and retained less than half of their weight. Thankfully he had solids behind the softs and both bulls were recovered near where they were shot. Do a check for his posts on the bullets, but suffice it to say that everyone in camp was not impressed.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=588109835#588109835

OH GEEZ!
I thought that jacket material looked like brass!

What kind of idiot would design an expanding bonded lead core bullet with a brittle brass jacket?

Hornady Interbond failure:

quote:

Originally posted by Terry Carr:

The .416 Rigby Interbond had some serious problems in Zim this year. Failed to penetrate on a buffalo (and a bush pig). Just ask PH Mike Payne what he thinks of the Interbond. It about got him killed.

Regards,

Terry

Compare with falsehood posted by the moderator:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Is this the bulet that they had some failures with while testing in Dande North earlier in 2006?

Ah, grasshopper speaks, again, of what he does not know. It appears the bufflo in question was shot, the shot was admired, the buff got up, and was shot 3 more times, total distance from first shot to last

about 20 yards.

bullet was a PASS THROUGH... wow, imagine that... what more penetration or bullet performance could POSSIBLY be needed.

jeffe

From Hornady's website:

quote:

• Hornady's proprietary bonding process holds the core and jacket together no matter what the bullet encounters. Simply put, the core will never ever separate from the jacket.

• The thicker, stiffer jacket retains more than 90% of its mass—even through tough hide and bones.

• InterBond™ bullets expand to over twice their diameter, delivering deadly terminal performance for a quick, sure kill.

Maybe stiffer = more brittle?

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Hornady Interbond failure:

quote:

Originally posted by Terry Carr:

The .416 Rigby Interbond had some serious problems in Zim this year. Failed to penetrate on a buffalo (and a bush pig). Just ask PH Mike Payne what he thinks of the Interbond. It about got him killed.

Regards,

Terry

Compare with falsehood posted by the moderator:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Is this the bulet that they had some failures with while testing in Dande North earlier in 2006?

Ah, grasshopper speaks, again, of what he does not know. It appears the bufflo in question was shot, the shot was admired, the buff got up, and was shot 3 more times, total distance from first shot to last

about 20 yards.

bullet was a PASS THROUGH... wow, imagine that... what more penetration or bullet performance could POSSIBLY be needed.

jeffe

You reading my posts again, dan? doesn't that make your signature FLASE , DISHOENST, and MISLEADING?

no one quoted me, this time, grasshopper...

so, get over it.


the discussion is on the 458, sir... you might begin, I know it's a stretch, to be topical

jeffe

So,
dan, now that you are reading my posts again (or are you.. shame to show you a sham AGAIN), why don't you answer a few questions

what +.400" caliber rifles do you own in both standard and "fast" or "over" twist, by your definition, about 1x10 ?

what twist is your 505 gibbs, and do you think bullet shape or twist has more to do with penetration?

what twist and load are YOU getting 2350fps with a 450 lott? might as well include barrel length

when are you planning on having your double rifles rebarreled to overtwist barrels

do you OWN a 404 or is it a 416 rigby, as you give so much advice on how much better the 404 is

how about a 500 a2, that you praise for over twist?


and, finally,

how many rifles have your PERSONALLY made, as you like to give advice on gunsmithing, in 404 or 500 jeffe?

of course the answer is "none", "never" or "you misquoted me"

darn shame for you to actually particpate, no? don't let facts get in your way of your opinions...


"i wanna shoot dead elephants".. great, go ahead... you, yourself, posted that the shots are inconsistant from one to another.


you know, you hold a wealth of information... it's a damn shame you think that qualifies your as even qualifed, without facts, to discuss other things

Hi Guys



To retrieve my thread I personally think the jacket is too brittle and expands too rapidly. This produces long thin petals that shear when they reach the cannalur. I have read a few of the posts about it failing but very few heart shot animals drop to the first bullet so if it destroyed the heart then it did not fail.
My concern would be on a quartering shot where deflections may occur with such a large frontal area. I lost a large boar recently due to an over soft softpoint and it really pissed me and the boar off.
For practice and large thin skinned animals I think they are great.
For a once in a life time $14000 hunt I am thinking of GS Custom/woodleigh/barnes so when the shit happens I cant blame the bullet.

Mark

There seems to be creditable evidence that the Hornady interbond is not a suitable DG bullet but lets pick on them for what is worthy of picking and for my money the bullet in this photo:


is not a representation of a failed bullet.

I'm a fan of A-Frames and Northforks, not because the Hornady is a bad bullet but I consider the others to be somewhat superior.

It would be better if the small metal fragments had not separated from the mass of the bullet but 82% retention isn't horrible.

I truly think hanging this photo up and then claiming "bad bullet performance" is just not represing the truth.....which seems to be very fleeting in this case.

The same folks that claim this is a bullet failure will claim miracles for Nosler's partition......a bullet famous for shedding the entire lead of the foreward partition......this lacks consistancy big time!!!!

quote:

Remember guys these same big five animals were killed for a 100 years with Kynoch and other makes of non bonded bulletes. The critters have not mutated in to a tougher harder to kill version.

Hog Killer, that is why they only reccommended solids in the old days.
My 2c on this topic, I agree with vapodog, I have always stated that the Nosler Partitions are too soft for buff, and by the looks of this (granted very limited) experiment, so are the Hornady Interbond. I would reccommend Swift A-Frames, Barnes TSX or Rhino bullets as expanding bullets, and Woodleigh and GS Custom as solids. There are obviously other good choices, but I have most experience with these bullets, and am comfortable with reccommending them.

Interesting thoughts.

What do you thnk of this 300gn woodliegh 375H+H


This didnt fail in the slightest and also didnt exit the impala ram. Would anyone deny that this bullet has a good reputation on Buff?
My only comment is that the petals on the woodleigh appear broader and less brittle.
Here in the UK interbonds are almost half the price of woodleighs. Therefore they make a perfect practice round for me but for a few bucks more I'll hunt a bullet with a longer track record.

quote:

Originally posted by MarkH:
Hi Guys

For a once in a life time $14000 hunt I am thinking of GS Custom/woodleigh/barnes so when the shit happens I cant blame the bullet.

Mark

Exactly that is the point.

Use TBBC or A-Frames, Woodleighs are not tougher than the Interbonds!

Mark,
hornady went to the tougher guilding metal (i ASSUME) so that when bonded to the bullet, they could have a thinner jacket, that reduced overall bullet length, and allowed the loader to take them faster.

I generally get my fastest speed from hornady bullets, and wouldn't hesitate to take them anywhere in the Americas to hunt game.

Would a hornady soft be my first choice if I was in africa? Probably not, unless I had either done or seen results of some pretty exhaustive testing. For me, A-frames, Partitians, or Barnes for softs.. these are, IMHO, the best generally available softs. Solids would be bridger or barnes.

jeffe

Well, dan? everyone can plainly see you are actually reading my posts. in this thread alone, you replied to them.

please begin acting as a reasonable adult, rather than a spoiled child upset over being placed in "timeout" (whatever THAT is). You are acting in an intentionally intellectually dishonest fashion

jeffe

quote:

What I donot like about the new Inter-bond Hornady bullets is the price increase. Th old style Inter-Loc were 50 cents each, the new stuff is over a buck each. The "cheap" 500gr/.458" practice bullets are gone.

No kidding! I'm pissed at the price increase, at this point why would I not go ahead and go with Woodleighs or North Forks when the prices are no longer that far apart?

Hornady shot themselves in the foot on that one... Reports from the field and testing seem to indicate that the new bullet designs (Solid and Soft) are not what we'd come to expect.

For N-A use the old 500gr RN was a great bargain for training and stomped the crap out of nearly anything you'd need it to - for $24 a box. Now they're $55 a box at Midway??? Yeah right Hornady... DREAM ON! The Barnes FN banded solids are only $25 for a box of 20, I'd happily pay that before $55 for the Hornadys... Or the Woodleigh 480gr RN soft is $48.50 for that matter...