Here is a 3 shot group with the new 458 calibre 500gr Hornady solids.The group was shot with my Lott at 100yds with open sights,late in the day.I was surprised this Ruger is still able to shoot groups like this after about a couple of thousand full power rounds,especially with solids.This is one heck of a rifle and these solids are not so bad either.I shot about thirty today and all fed perfectly despite having had a couple fail to feed while dry fire practice.I am going to try feeding them again once I trim my cases.My cases need trimming and I am finally going to get to it now that I recieved my Wilson custom case holder.These solids shot great both from the bench and while shooting offhand.They have the same point of impact as my A-frames.[URL= ]100yds off the bench[/URL][URL= ]100yds offhand(poor sight picture)[/URL][URL= ]25yds offhand(one a-frame and one DGS solid[/URL] I may add that it was getting cold and because of this I had less strenght or circulation in my hands and arms and the lott pounded the daylights out of my shoulder.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Here is a 3 shot group with the new 458 calibre 500gr Hornady solids.The group was shot with my Lott at 100yds with open sights,late in the day.I was surprised this Ruger is still able to shoot groups like this after about a couple of thousand full power rounds,especially with solids.This is one heck of a rifle

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Posted 03 April 2008 02:04 Hide Post
Here is a picture of how the Woodleigh solids keyholed on the target today.The first two pics show the 500gr FMJ and the third shows the 550gr FMJ. It seems that after firing around 150 rds mostly TSX and FMJ the rifling has eroded to the point that it can no longer get a grip and spin these bullets.

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Posted 21 April 2008 21:05 Hide Post
Pegleg,the barrel never got hot.The way I see it is that for a magnum catridge rifle to shoot accurately the bore has to be like new.From my experience with the Lott,I feel that copper bullets and hard jacketed solids are extremely hard on the lands.The Lott is capable of shooting solids accurately only when its bore is like new.

So I guess my question is: why is this Lott still shooting well after "a couple of thousand full power rounds", but your other was shot out after "around 150 rds"?

Jason,
let's look at the math

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Originally posted by shootaway:
November 14, 2009
I let my shoulder rest for a couple of months before shooting it and that made the recoil seem MUCH less.

This is the first Ruger I bought and now shoots groups a little too big..

and has 3 458s ...
has flinchie shot THOUSANDS of rounds in that timeframe through this rifle?

JBrown,let's say I just had no luck with the CZ barrel.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
JBrown,simply beacuase CZ makes a poor barrel.

but YOU said the ruger doesn't shoot to your satisfaction anymore....

You have to remember for shootaway it is all ways the gun, not the shooter.

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Originally posted by David Culpepper:
You have to remember for shootaway it is all ways the gun, not the shooter.

Next time, I'll tell the bullet not to keyhole.

Shootaway before he took up his shooting hobby.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by David Culpepper:
You have to remember for shootaway it is all ways the gun, not the shooter.

Next time, I'll tell the bullet not to keyhole.

wow -- did you tell them all to not keyhole this time, too?

Flinchie, you are a neverending source of amusement

But he sure can pick that banjo!

Rich

Somebody around here makes me think of Carmello except without the vulgar insults...

You will find a tighter 3 shot group with a scope.

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Originally posted by jro45:
You will find a tighter 3 shot group with a scope.

not really

Yes, definitely.

No Jetdriver his groups would not change if he used a scope. You see shootaway uses, or rather employs, or.....

Well I'll let this quote of his explain it:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Posted 07 November 2008 05:18

I use the naturally occuring scope called the brain combined with open sights for hunting.

So no, a scope would not change his groups. Actually he is already using a scope. A naturally occurring one......

I trimmed my cases to 2.79 and reloaded the Hornady solids.I loaded three for dry firing and tried feeding once again.The third or last round(one on the bottom) fails to feed quite often.It is the round on the right side of the mag and it seemit's not the flat part of the bullet or bullet shape that is responsible but the weight distribution of the bullet material that causes some inbalance when this round is fed.I loaded three rounds right after,but this time using same weight Woodleigh FMJ solids and tested them, although I have tested them numerous times,but in case anything has changed.None of the Woodleighs failed to feed.The rounds are extremely well balnced with Woodleigh solids.I loaded some more for shooting practice and if they shoot anywhere near as good as the Hornadys,I will choose them.

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
Yes, definitely.

You don't need a scope to shoot very tight groups,off the bench at 100yds.I would shoot tighter groups with a scope at 200yds and beyond but with lots of practice it might be possible to shoot as good at that distance too.There is no doubt that scopes make hunting easier and the chance of a scope failing are slim,but it could happen.I don't use a scope because I want to take a chance of decreasing my chances of success,in the hopes of making the hunt a little more fun.I keep thinking of the shot I made on my impala,everyday.

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I use the naturally occuring scope called the brain combined with open sights for hunting.

Like all Jedis, he allows the force to guide his aim.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:
Yes, definitely.

You don't need a scope to shoot very tight groups,off the bench at 100yds.I would shoot tighter groups with a scope at 200yds and beyond but with lots of practice it might be possible to shoot as good at that distance too.There is no doubt that scopes make hunting easier and the chance of a scope failing are slim,but it could happen.I don't use a scope because I want to take a chance of decreasing my chances of success,in the hopes of making the hunt a little more fun.I keep thinking of the shot I made on my impala,everyday.

man, my bullshit meter is redlined. of course, it just could be that guns and people shoot differently( better??) in the great white north. oh well, you got to admit that sh-taway is good for a laugh.

i have been thinking a while( a dangerous past time for me). shootaway is the guy who, after a successful buff hunt in Zim, stated that he tipped the PH $100 AND THE ENTIRE STAFF $50. reason given by him was that he was not as well off as a lot of AR members and it was all he could afford. OK. follow closely now. he claims to have reloaded and fired thousands of .458 Lott rounds( not to mention all the other calibers he claims to reload and shoot). at a very conservative estimate of $3.50/round for premium bullets, powders, primers, brass, etc., that comes to 2000x$3.50 or $7000 for just the .458 ammo. seems like one hell of a lot of money to spend on ammo fired into a dirt bank. as far as his statement that he doesn't use a scope, remember this is the same guy who flatly stated a scoped bolt rifle in .300 win mag was the IDEAL RIFLE for a leopard hunt with dogs..

Be sure to use plenty of JB Bore Paste so that the stock doesn't crack in the middle of one of your range sessions!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
i have been thinking a while( a dangerous past time for me). shootaway is the guy who, after a successful buff hunt in Zim, stated that he tipped the PH $100 AND THE ENTIRE STAFF $50. reason given by him was that he was not as well off as a lot of AR members and it was all he could afford. OK. follow closely now. he claims to have reloaded and fired thousands of .458 Lott rounds( not to mention all the other calibers he claims to reload and shoot). at a very conservative estimate of $3.50/round for premium bullets, powders, primers, brass, etc., that comes to 2000x$3.50 or $7000 for just the .458 ammo. seems like one hell of a lot of money to spend on ammo fired into a dirt bank. as far as his statement that he doesn't use a scope, remember this is the same guy who flatly stated a scoped bolt rifle in .300 win mag was the IDEAL RIFLE for a leopard hunt with dogs..

A 300wm with a 180gr TSX is lethal medicine for game in that weight range,IMO.But why not go with a 375 or a 458, for all your african hunting.I am sure a Lott firing a 500gr A-frame would put a big hole in a leopard and put him down quick.It would be something,hunting leopard.I am thinking about it for 2010.That or buff,I will be going to africa again this coming summer or fall.I would also like to hunt a kudu or a zebra and a hyena.I hope Alan recovers from his accident on time and we can get Justin to video it again.

Here is a three shot group with Woodleigh fmj solids.The group is a little tighter than the Hornady group.I went on to fire some offhand rounds with the Woodleighs and finished off by shooting three Hornady rounds.I would say the Woodleighs are more accurate.I had alot of difficulty enduring the recoil from the first offhand rounds fired.Just when I thought I could not continue,I loaded three more,Hornady,before it got too dark.To my surprise,it was much easier to endure the recoil from the last three.There was such a difference that made me believe the Hornady bullets shoot with less recoil.Here are a couple of pics from the range today.This rifle needs a sight adjustment of a couple of inches to shoot center offhand.[URL= ]100yds off the bench[/URL][URL= ]100yds offhand[/URL]

Wow...again.

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Originally posted by Tyler Kemp:
Wow...again.

Are you doubting that shootaway can feel the difference in recoil between different manufacture's bullets of the same weight?

Look, he can feel the difference in recoil between a clean bore and a dirty bore, so why would this surprise you?

nothing this idiot posts surprises me anymore. the same bullet weight from the same caliber at the same muzzle velocity is going to have essentially the same amount of recoil unless you radically change a fast to a slow burning powder( in which case muzzle velocity will probably change)- you can't change the laws of physics( except maybe in Montreal).

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Originally posted by jdollar:
nothing this idiot posts surprises me anymore. the same bullet weight from the same caliber at the same muzzle velocity is going to have essentially the same amount of recoil unless you radically change a fast to a slow burning powder( in which case muzzle velocity will probably change)- you can't change the laws of physics( except maybe in Montreal).

IMO,the Woodleigh solids always caused me more recoil than any other bullet.Others may have had the same experience.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
You don't need a scope to shoot very tight groups,off the bench at 100yds.I would shoot tighter groups with a scope at 200yds and beyond but with lots of practice it might be possible to shoot as good at that distance too.

You mean, of course, the harmonics work out on your single ring scope mounting system, and when the scope bounces off your skidoo helmut, you BELIEVE you can shoot better groups...

wait a second .. this iron sights shooting advice comes from the guy that shoots FEET different at 100 yards with iron sights...

using loads so high they ruin cases in 2 loadings .. can't hold a primer to georgie, it will just fall out!

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Originally posted by shootaway:
IMO,the Woodleigh solids always caused me more recoil than any other bullet.Others may have had the same experience.

Come on Shootaway, everyone knows Woodleighs recoil more than other brands. There was even a pop song about it in the eighties.

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I come from the land down under, where Woodleighs blow and make thunder!

You better run, better take cover. Yeaaahhh! (and wear your shooting helmet)

Here is another group I shot today with the Hornady DGS solid.The group is about the same size as the one I shot last time.Its POI is a little to the right.I did not reset my sights.I guess it shot a little to the right because conditions gave a different sight picture.The second pic is the only offhand round my arm and shoulder would tolerate.I needed a stronger hold to get it a little higher but that will have to wait for some other time.[URL= ]500gr DGS off the bench-100yds[/URL] [URL= ]offhand-100yds-500gr DGS[/URL]out of action

All I can say is there would be alot of wounded game in Africa if you ever go on a safari

seriously ... what is he aiming at?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
seriously ... what is he aiming at?

It looks like his scope is defective and is shifting POI. Maybe there is a screw loose?

Of course:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Posted 07 November 2008 05:18

I use the naturally occuring scope called the brain

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
seriously ... what is he aiming at?

Do you mean in the video? If so,the black circle on the #7 target.It is the target posted here.The time of year I shoot most is here and I am without a rifle to shoot.I've ordered a Krieger 308 heavy Palma target barrel which will take a few months before it gets here and is installed.I can't shoot my lott untill my shoulder gets strong enough and that should take at least three months.To solve the problem,I ordered another factory Remington 308 rifle on which I will get installed Remington open sights.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
seriously ... what is he aiming at?

Do you mean in the video? If so,the black circle on the #7 target.It is the target posted here.The time of year I shoot most is here and I am without a rifle to shoot.I've ordered a Krieger 308 heavy Palma target barrel which will take a few months before it gets here and is installed.I can't shoot my lott untill my shoulder gets strong enough and that should take at least three months.To solve the problem,I ordered another factory Remington 308 rifle on which I will get installed Remington open sights.

no, really, i didn't change a WORD he posted

Oh crap. One more time.

Shootaway,
Not my intent to be rude or critical, but having a hard time trying to figure out just what you are doing with your rifles, big bore or small bore?? I gather by your comments that you have shot the 458Lott so much that you have injured your shoulder!! And you much prefer "iron sights" over optics? Nothing wrong with iron sights, prefer them myself, but have you ever heard of the training exercise known as "ball and dummy"(no, I am not calling you a dummy) for it is an excellent method of determining if the shooter is flinching. Ask about at the range you shoot at and inquire if anyone there is familiar with the exercise I mentioned and ask them to perform the process with any one of your rifles. I should further note that the 458Lott is an excellent caliber to conduct this exercise, can't think of a better one really, but even a 22 rimfire will suffice.
Shootaway, you are either quite a novice w/ firearms or you are one clever fellow who is generating many responses in which you are gaining much entertainment. Which is it??

Don't forget now, "ball and dummy."

NAAAA! Forget the ball.
Crap.

Took a little time off the boards for a while, seemed not much has changed.

Shootaway, having looked at your your targets, there is a reason why your groups are so open, but it has nothing to do with the bbl of your rifle. Your shoulder is probably giving you problems because you still haven't adopted good posture when shooting a big bore rifle. Perhaps a bit of pride swallowing and a session or two with an experienced cannon blaster may prevent you from further embarrassment, or worse, injury.

John

I think those targets are 200 yard offhand, he's just pulling someones leg.