Can anyone put into the atf info on destructive devices? I can find the definition but not the exemption stuff. I am wondering how one legally wildcats or builds anything over .50

Matthew

You can get an exemption by writing a letter to ATF explaining that the gun is for sporting purposes only and wait on an approval. It does take time.

Last time I read it--

Title 18 GCA -- Sec 921-- Subsection (a)-

Subsection(3)--

Part (B) -Exempts shotguns

Exception paragraphs---

-Exempts those the ATF determins are sporting or antique.


A lot of the old time cases they grandfathered in.
Newer stuff people have filed and been granted
exemption like bigdoggey mentioned.Ed

Destructive device is a BAD thing - you do NOT want to have to do a DD exception. This is wrong thinking, as it also requires the gunsmith to have a dd manf. license

Having the ATF designate the rounds as "sporting rounds" is an entirely different approach. It takes 4 or more months, and is worth the process ... very very very few rounds are actually atf approved, but the 550 magnum, 550 flanged, and 550 express are all have this done.

Basically- If the cartridge is over .50cal, with certain noted exceptions which include the .550mag genus, .600ok, .700HE and .700AHR as well as all Shotguns, and certain grandfathered OLD Time sporting cartridges,you could be charged with possession/manufacture of a DD. To be exempt you need proof as in paperwork in your hands saying so by a ATF official. It may be a moot point, but I have no idea if that paperwork actually exists for many of the wildcats that have been created.
As others have said the process for gaining an exemption is long and difficult.-Rob

Rob and Jeffe are correct.

We have the exemption letter from ATF stating that the 585 AHR, 600 OK and 700 AHR are designated as sporting cartridges and are not considered destructive devices. This letter goes out with every rifle that is sold.

Bitterroot
You have a sporting designation, NOT an exception. The exception ONLY applies to DDs.

really, this is a legalism that has to be observed.

A sporting USE exception of a DD is one thing
a sporting designation is another

Jeffe,

Actually, the term that ATF uses in their letter is "exemption from DD category". They go on to state that if the cartridge were to be used for other than sporting purposes,ie. military or law enforcement, then the exemption would not apply.

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Originally posted by Bitterroot:
Jeffe,

Actually, the term that ATF uses in their letter is "exemption from DD category". They go on to state that if the cartridge were to be used for other than sporting purposes,ie. military or law enforcement, then the exemption would not apply.

Correct! The application is pertinent. Of course in Montana ATF rules do not apply ... ??

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Of course in Montana ATF rules do not apply ... ??

Yet. Our new law does not take effect until Oct. 1st. Then the real battle begins in the courts. We need lots of money for the legal battle. Maybe we can get a stimulus.

I'll go pull my letter, as I seem to recall it stated "designated as a sporting round" and explcitely NOT a DD ..
there is, of course, a legal difference, but i have been wrong before.

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Maybe we can get a stimulus

Don't count on them funding anything that doesn't fit their agenda ...

is the 585HE exempt?

PM ed and ask him --

Jeff,

It ain't no big deal to own a DD. There is only extra paperwork, expense, and political BS to go through. Simple really

Jeffe and Bitterroot are saying the exact same thing I.e. The .600ok for example is not classified as a dangerous device.
ScottS-How would you know what is required to own a DD. You could never pass a background check in Mi based at least on your psycological treatment unless you didn't disclose that on the BATF application. That background check is pretty thorough and Im gratefull that the government can keep DDs out of the hands of wackos like you.-Rob