If the 700 NE needs filler to fill the case (as I remember the powder charge only fills the case 5/8 full), why not shorten the case to the point that the powder fills to the base of the bullet?

After all, the brass will be made one at a time by hand on a lathe, so might as well make them the right size the first time.

Special dies would be needed but that's no big deal.

The advantage would be that the pressure spike dangers (and controversy) of fillers would be eliminated.

500 grains with the charge i am using and the cork wad i have absolutly no air space left in the case

Steve,

Just reduce the case length by the amount of the cork wad. Then you will not need a cork wad.

Instead of a 700 NE, it will be a 700 SE (Steve Express).

Also, I highly recommend Bridger Bullets flat nose solids for this round. www.bridgerbullets.com

I have gotten some excellent accuracy from them, they are priced reasonably, and the wide flat meplat has 4 advantages over Woodleigh: (1) transmits more shock to the animal, (2) deeper penetration (flat noses penetrate deeper than round noses), (3) better blood trail because they cut a nice cookie hole, and (4) lower pressure because they are easier to engrave with the rifling. Give 'em a try. He makes a 1000 grain and can make a 1200 grain.

In fact, I would be tempted to have Butch regulate the rifle for 1200 grains at 2000 fps. Yeah!

i just talked to john at briger bullets and had him send me 5 1000 grn bullets and 5 1200 grn bullets. ill try them out to see what happens but first i have to talk to searcy.

if he says no then ill just add the bullets to my on the wall collection. or ill sell them to some one

500grains- Yup the original 600 NE had serious misfire problems. Remember our old bud Mark Sullivan? He had a .600 NE and I actually saw it misfire/hangfire in Tanzania. No I didn't hunt with Him, but that's another story! He eventually had to resort to a priming load. This apparantly worked for awhile. H&H actually uses a special primer in this round that's hotter than a Fed 215. It's not available OTC. That solves the problem. The .600 NE was marginal, a .700NE is over the top for a std primer.
Look with a 700NE you are trying to light off220- 240 grs of any powder! A Fed 215 isn't gonna work reliably.Believe me, you have not lived till you've been through a hangfire on one of these. Read Saeed's experience with his 700NE bolt gun! I've also been down this same road! You need a .50BMG primer
With all due respect! Even Butch doesn't have that much experience with a .700NE. He builds em, but doesn't shoot em to the extent necessary to resolve such a problem. Your gonna find out for yourself what I'm talking about! Best of luck!By the way, I doubt a Presidential grade .700 will light off a ,50BMG primer.
How many .700NE's have actually gone to Africa and been used on ELE? As I hear it,Most just are purchased by guys with more money than brains and used for bragging rights, so misfires don't matter.-Rob

rob butch has done quite a bit of load research with the 700 and actually built one for him self that he sold to a gental man a while after he built it has has fired quite a few rounds out of his rifle

oh and rob i am using 160-165 grns of reloader 15 with a cork wad wich completely fills the case and is 100% reliable i have now talked to a 7-8 people who owen 700 nitros and use them on elephants. with every day i learn more about them

there is so much rubish and haphazard rumours going around that people take it a gosple

if you want to know about the 700 why not get the info stright from the source call searcy up and ask him about the cartrige

the 700 nitro has suffered the same kinda fate 458 win mag did a while back the first loadings for the 458 were found lacking they had massive problems powder not burning miss fires the whole works the 700 because it is a new cartrige and all the bugs were not worked out at the factory people for one reson or another just turn up there nose and dont bother to address the problem

butch has addressed them and solved them. you will notice that saeed did not use a filler in any of his 700 nitro loadings and i am willing to bet if he used a cork or 1/8th think felt wad he would not need a priming charge.

[ 03-05-2003, 09:20: Message edited by: black-powder-big-bore ]

i forgot to add i would be willing to talk to you in detail about load data and load research done on the 700 if your interested.

urdubob

urdubob what is supposed to mean

words explain stuff better than a few smily faces

OH.......... just thinking if had the problem of what $10,000 plus rifle to buy.

urdubob

[ 03-06-2003, 03:07: Message edited by: urdubob ]

........with all due respect to those that really do what they say, I gotta call on butt-plug-big-bs'er

Gentlemen

700, 600 or 577 is way too much for me and most shooters. I rather take a 500, 470 or 450 of some sort. It is not the caliber they die from , but the shoot placement

700 H&H might be a fun but very useless caliber. I know a professional hunter in Tanzania who had a guest with such rifle. The guest flinched every time and managed to hit the elephant in the belly area, than in the head

The guest managed to fire one shot only because of the heavy recoil. The idea of a double were the option of two fast shoots

black-powder-big-bore, It would be great to see some pic's of your double rifles. Don't be shy
Cheers
/ JOHAN

[ 03-07-2003, 22:25: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

Saeed,
Please get a spell checker for this website. This thread is killing me

johan my rifle is still in the roughing stages but as asoon as i have some pics i will post them

the 700 is going to be my heavy gun i will be buying a smaller gun probably a 500 as my smaller rifle

i dont have a flinching problem so i am not worryed about it i never had a flinching problem with any of my big bores so i am not going to let it worry me

most people who by the larg cal 500 nitro and up elephant rifles dont shoot them that often im not saying every body but for the most part alot dont use them that often i shoot my big guns on a weekly basis meaning every week or darn close to it. and remember the more you use a particular firearm the more you will become used to its recoil. and the way the gun feels

bpbb

quote:

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i just talked to john at briger bullets and had him send me 5 1000 grn bullets and 5 1200 grn bullets.

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I don't understand. You have enough cash to buy three doubles but you buy only 10 bullets at a time?

And you shoot your big bores on a weekly basis?

Something isn't adding up.

Matt,
I think that I am no longer can be pointed to as having the worst grammar and spelling on the board!!!

just having some fun, guys
jeffe

nitro-x i just wanted to sample the bullets i dont want to completely convert since i love woodleighs so much i just wanted to see how they would proform if you were not shure how a bullets would proform in your gun your not going to oder 500$ of them just to see youll get... you would get a sample pack or 1 box in my case he offerd me a sample pack

i have 5 boxes of solids and 2 boxes of soft points for the 700

and my 375 shoots them great so i just bought another 5 boxes of softs and 1 box of solids

[ 03-07-2003, 20:40: Message edited by: black-powder-big-bore ]

Based on the weight of the rifles being used for elephant hunting, makes me wonder how many on this thread actually hunt elephant...

I doubt if 1% of the posters could pack a 14 lb. rifle 20 miles a day, I can't...most probably cannot walk 20 miles a day.

My idea of an elephant gun is a 8.5 to 9 Lb. 404 or even a 375 H&H...that is plenty of gun to kill tembo and it gets heavy as hell by dusk...I have a light double at 10 Lbs. and I will grugingly carry it from time to time. It is a 450-400-3" Jefferys...

I consider the 500's toys for boys.

atkinson as good as bolt actions are i am not really comfortable with them i dont mind them for plains game but i prefer the comfort of a good well made double.

and the smallest i would ever go in a double is 470 leaning to a 500 iv tryed both and prefer the 500.

ill use the 700 until i get tired or i just dont want to carry it and then use the 500 wich only gose 12-13 pounds.

i carry my 8 bore 14 pound gun alot moose hunting and can carry it for miles its a well balenced gun i love it the 700 is a we bit more but hey thats what a lunch brake is for.

A boat anchor is pretty well balanced too! But I bet you won't carry it far.

[ 03-10-2003, 06:18: Message edited by: Pecos45 ]

BPBB- Some folks here are saying your just another Bullshitting TROLL.I for one will give you the doubt! To set matters straight why not post some pictures of yourself and your 700NE.This way despite your spelling we can see your for real. I know you'll understand.-Rob

Rob,I'm sure we'll se a picture of "his"
gun as soon as somebody puts one on Gunsamerica.

rob i dont have the gun yet it is in the prosess of being made.

Coyote59 & Mickey do you guys have a problem or what i havn't said anything to tick any one off and here you are attacking me as if i called you every thing under the sun.

[ 03-11-2003, 01:51: Message edited by: black-powder-big-bore ]

I can't carry a 20 pound rifle for 20 miles. But I can carry a 12 pound rifle.

This is all about toys and stunts for boys. Without that it wouldn't be any fun.

i really dont know why everyone critisizes bpbb.. i can understand why .700 ne probably isnt the best choice for an all day (possibly multiple days) 110 degree safari, but if its what he wants, why not? he doesnt have to take it to africa.. doesnt even have to shoot it, though im pretty positive he will every chance he gets. and folks say he bullshits everyone... well



this is a pic of the inside of bpbb's 2-bore.. very real, not bullshit.. and a rare find, indeed. certainly if he can own this, he can own a .700 double. there were more pics, but they have been mysteriously made unavailable (making no theories, but you come to your own conclusions.)

in these pics, you can see bpbb.. hes a pretty big guy, not to mention fires 2-bore on more then one occation.. id find him to be capable of carring a 20lbs .700 in the brush for a while, though probably not the most economical thing, but i think ive made my point that economics is something he simply doesnt care about, and good for him! can anyone else here think of a better way to spend theyre money? isnt that the whole reason everyone posts here? the big bores. the safari.. not economics or logic, symantics or petty arguments about whos bullshitting..

if you ask me, the only thing thats bullshit is people who wanna snap off on folks who have a taste for less common and bigger guns..

maybe its just jealousy.. hell, im jealous of bpbbs funds and guns.. i dont think any of us should play like we wouldnt want a .700 or 2-bore, cause i know everyone at least wants to give it a shot, and bpbb gets both.. but i also think weve all evolved beyond that point....

or have we...

-nagra (i hate long posts)

The hole in that 2 bore is much bigger than the toe in the bottom of the picture.

I don't care what guns bpbb's Daddy's money buys him. I just wish his dumb ass would learn to spell and construct a lucid sentence with punctuation. Does he bring this level of SLOPPY work to everything he undertakes? Undoubtedly bpbb is one of the Americans who can't find Iraq on the globe.

One can only hope he shoots better than he writes or if he ever does go on safari, it may be rather short lived.

if carrying a decent rifle is such an effort for these softies why dont they do what the english did and employ a gun bearer , i am sure there are plenty of poor africans who would oblige for a small sum!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nagrathius

Did you go to school with bpbb?

Why is a $2900 muzzleloader a 'rare find'?

How does it equate to a $40,000 Double Rifle?

The pics you refer to were of a 30 something man not a early 20's man like bpbb claims to be.

All I can tell from the pic you posted is it is a wide angle lens and I see someone has little fingers.(posibly disproving my theory of bpbb's lack of little fingers for causeing his problems in hitting the punctuation and capitals keys)

If you can't understand why bpbb get's picked on ,just do a search on member # 7165.Quite comical.

Nagrathius:

Cute Lovecraft reference vis-a-vis your "From:". I believe this reference, coupled with your age
(on one fantasy site you say you are 12 and on another 17) explains why you are on a firearms site discussing 700 NE's. Am I correct in guessing
that at night you lay in bed with a "small arm" in
one hand and an imaginary 700 in the other as you
dream of hunting the terrible Cthulhu across the vast space-time continuum?
Now go back to your Necromancer forums (whatever
those are) and play nice with the other kids.

Have a nice day
Wes
ps I usually wouldn't waste so much time on nonsense, but I did think the stuff you dreamed up
for your personal info was kind of funny.