Has anybody seen any of these lately? I remember they were popular when I was young. The idea is that you can practice with your big game rifle without breaking the bank, or do it in an indoor range.

I never got to examine one closely. I can see how to make the barrel insert for a single shot .22, but how do you get the firing pin to strike the rim, rather than the center?

Any ideas or information would be welcome.

Don

Don,

They are still around, here is a web site for MCA, an outfit that makes a lot of them:

http://www.mcace.com/rifleinserts.html

I have some friends using inserts from them.

jim dodd

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"if you are to busy to
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If I recall, Saeed made a similar contraption for his 460 Weatherby, although I think it housed a 223 or something like it. This was not for practice of course, just for demonstrating how little the 460 recoiled before he let his unsuspecting friends try it.

I was thinking this would be a great idea for safari practice too.

Canuck

HunterJim,

Thanks for the link. Do you know if they are accurate enough for actual practice?

Canuck

Woody Woodall at Lothar-Walther says they make an insert "Article 431" for 338, 375 H&H and 458 Win for $61USD. I wonder if I can turn one down, and I wonder how accurate they are.

I suspect they are the "cartridge replacement" type with a 1-2 inch barrel, but I can't find a picture.

HunterJim, Thanks for the link. I will check them out.

Don

[This message has been edited by Don G (edited 04-08-2002).]

I owned a Drilling once and had a .22 mag insert (in German "Einstecklauf")fitted in the top left shotgun barrel. It was sighted to hit dead on at 80 yards while the 7X57 was sighted 1.5 inches high at 100 yards with the same Schmidt und Bender scope. It worked very well and I even shot a Roe deer with it...bad trigger management.. :0... But thankfully the RWS .22 mag ammo did the job and the deer went down within 50 yards.

Don, Clever Idea. Canuck, you are one sick dude, Shoot my 458 lott with a .22 rimfire then hand it over to another unsuspecting guy with a 500 grainer at 2300! Wow hope he has his mouth guard in!

I shoot a .22 rimfire an aweful lot. I use it while out on my shoting days to let the centerfires cool down and to give me trigger control work with out a pounding. My .22 is a very nice rifle built for me by a guy I met on these forums. "E4E". Based on a Ruger m77 which has an identical 3 position safety to the model 70. I thought this idea was to good to pass up for teaching my daughter to shoot. Anyway he put on a big heavy ported Bull Barrel. It's some kind of bench rest super barrel he had on hand. He added a custom laminated stock and bedding as well as trigger work and everything else you can do to a .22 rimfire. It shoot's one holers at 50-75 yards with cheap "milk carton ammo"

I still remember the first time I shot that rifle after he sent it to me. I had been shooting the 375HH for about 45 minutes and decided to cool it down. I dragged out the .22 and shot it off of sandbags to see how accurate it was. When I pulled the trigger, I assumed a misfire? I cycled the bold and the same thing happend again, however this time I realized the shell had no bullet in it! I looked down range and saw a hole( fifty yard target) So I shot again and I actually did hear a faint "pop" but saw no hole? With earplugs and head phones it was hard to detect the gun going off. There was ZERO rifle movement. I walked down and sure enough only one hole. I marked the target with a black marker in three places. Went back and shot all three black spots. The rifle actually does not move, shoots every bullet into the same hole and is so quite it's hard to tell it fired.

Then back to the 375HH for more shooting. That .22 is a great tool for concentrating on your shooting skills and trigger control. I credit much of my ability to shoot well to this day from three things.

#1 my Dad's instructions with the Sheridan Air rifle which had willimas Peep sights, as a very young boy. Pumping that thing 10 times for each shot made you concentrate on every trigger pull. You also rarely took risky shots becasue it would require repumping again! As I got older the pumping was easier, but when your 8 years old it's a big job!

Learning to hunt flying birds with a shotgun for 6-7 years before I ever owned a centerfire rifle.

And finally the millions of rounds of .22 rimfire I have shot in my life.

If they infact make a .458 sleeve and it's easy to install and remove, that is one clever and truely functional idea! jj

And finally

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The guys I know shooting them report good accuracy. One guy shoots the cartridge insert types, and also the tube type you insert in the barrel. The other guy has several tube types he uses in his shotguns.

Most recently he is using a .30-40 Krag in a 16 ga. No reports on game yet.

I am either going to try these cartridge inserts, or develop a lead bullet load for my .308 and small antelope.

jim dodd

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"if you are to busy to
hunt, you are too busy."

I built a dummy 375H&H cartridge out of steel and chambered the base of it for a 38 special case. Loaded with 3.5 grains of bullseye and a piece of cardboard to hold the powder next to the rifle primer and a 375 caliber round ball it shoots into a clover leaf off the sandbags as 25 yards. Quite the site to see the expression on everyones face when I set up my them 6 year old son to shoot the .375. They all thought I was crazy but no one had the nerve to speek up. Then I had to show them what I had done. Great system for shooting grouse when out hunting big game. Smokey

I emailed the AK outfit, no response yet.

Don

Don,

My buddy knows the guy who makes them, I'll see if I can get a quicker repsonse.